It's all been a pack of lies…I mean, wolves.
June 15, 2010 in 3.01 Bad Blood, Character & Plot Analysis, Guest Posts, Recaps, True Blood
In this week’s Season 3 premiere of True Blood, we learn that serial killers need love too, Pam’s NOT a hooker, haircuts are for badasses, the water’s hard in Arkansas, and yes, vampires CAN grow beards…
Sink your teeth into some spoilery commentary after the jump…
I’d like to kick this off by taking a moment to thank Sookieverse Blog for giving me her vote of confidence and allowing me to take up precious blog space with my weekly brain farts. You are a lady and a scholar, SVB. I salute you.
So with those acknowledgments out of the way, let’s get down to business…
In perhaps the most yawn-worthy cliffhanger in television history, we learn that Bill “MARREH MEH, SOOKEH” Compton has actually been taken by a gnarly group of V-addicted werewolves, hilariously called the “Fuck You Crew”—a name that may elicit a chuckle, but which is actually fairly in line with the ridiculous (…ly awesome) monikers you will find among these outlaw biker ranks. So props to the writers for both their authenticity AND poetic use of profanity… suffice to say that these aren’t your average yuppies riding Harleys and doing charity work for Toys for Tots.
Anyway, these nasty bikers are beating on poor Bill like it’s some kind of bloody gang initiation—emphasis on the bloody, since it’s obvious they’re trying to make their very own undead V-fountain out of him, too. Needless to say, Mr. Compton is having a bad night.
Meanwhile, Sookie calls the cops, Jason throws shit, Tara cries over scrambled Eggs, and Jessica finds Hoyt’s flowers just a little too late.
Kenya questions Sookie about Bill’s disappearance but can’t make any fast moves—Bill probably just lost his temper when Sookie rejected him, don’t you know? They’ll look into it in 48 hours, because those are the rules. To which Sookie says merci beaucoup for NOTHING.
Back at Merlotte’s, Sheriff Dearborn is questioning Arlene while Andy’s foot bounces like… well, an epileptic on meth. Terry sits down to have a man to man with his cuz. “I know what you’re going through,” he says. “That first kill, it’s got a way of making you feel that’s all you are. But you’ve got to know that you are still a man that is capable of goodness, and of heartbreaking generosity of spirit, and if you can cling to that, it’ll be alright. I promise.”
Pay attention to that conversation, folks, because it’s important. Something tells me that our friend Bill Compton had a similar experience with his own “first kill.” He just sucks at clinging to anything but Sookie… and his Hugh Hefner robe… and his horribly outdated values. But I digress.
Anyway, Arlene carries on with a little 5-O ass kissing, which pisses off Tara, who says she just lost the only man she ever loved, and what the fuck is wrong with Arlene? Arlene knows the feeling, but isn’t about to join the pity party, delivering one of the evening’s funniest (and most truthful) lines: “I’m sorry you fell in love with a serial killer… but really, who here hasn’t?”
Tara is NOT amused. She doesn’t care what Eggs confessed to, because he ain’t responsible for SHIT. (Well, Eggs “THERE’S BLOOD ON MAH HANDS” Benedict might disagree with you, Tara—but that’s neither here nor there. Lafayette’s taking a bottle of tequila to-go, so it’s all good.)
Back at the Compton house, Jessica is freaking out over her “sick” date. He’d like to go to a hospital, please, but Jessica doesn’t much like that idea. He calls her a fucking whore, and she’s not about to argue with that.
Sookie, who gets the gold star for bad timing tonight, crashes the party in a frantic search for Bill. Jessica acts like she crapped her pants, but still manages to muster up some excitement over the proposal, only to have her hopes dashed by the news of Sookie’s refusal. Sookie says to call if she hears from Bill, even if he commands her not to. Jessica “can’t do that,” but Sookie says she doesn’t care—just help a human out.
Having dodged that bullet, Jessica resumes her freakout, and checks on her (very dead-looking) date in the closet. Out of options, she bites into her wrist to feed him her blood.
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!! *facepalm*
Back on the road, Jessica’s daddy isn’t doing much better. His captors are touching their titties and snowballing his blood, and the ringleader’s favorite gloves come off. Bill tells him that they’re really fucking stupid if they had orders to bring him in alive—because he’s, like, dying and stuff.
Finally, we have the much-awaited reprise of the Andy and Jason Variety Hour. A man of his word, Andy explains to Jason that he told Bud that HE killed Eggs—but there are holes in the story (BA-DUM-DUM), so if CSI: Bon Temps gets ahold of this, they’ll both be sailing on shit creek. Thus, Jason nobly insists that they tell the truth—but Andy says NO. Less conscience, more cojones. Bud’s getting old, and he doesn’t notice things like he used to. They just have to act normal—and for Jason, that means tagging lots of random ass. The NEW Jason is just going to have to go sip Shirley Temples on vacation for a while.
Conscience off, dick on. Everything’s gonna be alright. Hmmm… something tells me that Jason isn’t going to be the only one with that mantra this season.
Moving on…
Sookie storms into Fangtasia looking for her would-be husband Bill, and demands that Pam take her to Eric for a little chit-chat. Pam wonders out loud how Sookie knew that lavender is her favorite color, to which Sookie suggests that she STOP THE (lesbian) BULLSHIT.
Yes, Pam, as the patron saint of pastel twin-sets, you WOULD like the color of Sookie’s bridesmaid cocktail dress. Now stop—because you’re freaking me out. My conspiratorial mind is wondering if YOU picked it out, while everyone else was busy impaling Maryann and playing Yahtzee… and if maybe your daddy Eric gave Sookie the once-over in all his naked Viking glory because he was inspecting YOUR choice.
But alas, I shall not plumb those murky, foul-smelling depths, as such pontifications give my bloggy benefactor SVB a virtual rash. However, I will draw attention to the fact that this is the SECOND time the color of the dress has been mentioned. (First time: Tara, in Sookie’s minisode.) Take note, folks, if you haven’t already: Something’s most definitely up with that.
Or not. At this point, I’m convinced that Alan Ball is hiding these little Easter eggs just to fuck with me.
But because I can’t stop myself, indulge me for a moment. There have been many theories thrown out there as to the potential significance of the color of this dress: it’s magic, the Queen bought it, Bill’s actually an LSU Tigers—or Minnesota Vikings—fan. (Okay, I made that last one up… but anything’s possible.) Anyway, these are all very legitimate considerations… but I would like to offer my own theory, which I have not yet seen making the rounds.
Allow me to introduce the concept of the “lavender marriage” to this discussion. Now, you may or may not have heard this euphemism before… but in straightforward terms, it refers to a sham marriage in which a closeted gay individual marries a straight individual, in an effort to uphold their heterosexual image—either for career reasons, religious reasons, or simply out of straight-up denial. Think Liza Minnelli and David Gest, people.
So what does this mean with respect to the dress—which, of course, was chosen to be worn on the night of an ill-timed proposal? Well, in a nutshell, it means that Sookie is Bill’s “beard.”
Now before you pounce on me (or applaud me) let me say that this need not be taken literally. In a more figurative sense, Sookie is the wife that Bill has chosen to conceal his vampire nature from himself and/or others, in the same way that a closeted gay man or woman would enter into a heterosexual marriage as a form of self-denial.
But sorry, Bill… you’re a vampire. No getting around that, sister. Take two Elton John box sets and call me in the morning. Because butterflies are free to fly and all that.
I will conclude this (very relevant) tangent by saying that some could make the argument that the “lavender marriage” allusion can, in fact, be taken literally. (You know who you are!) But I’ll let you crazy kids jump on that runaway train in the comments.
Moving on…
Despite Pam’s desperate attempts to shield her from the sex bomb that exploded in Fangtasia’s basement, Sookie finds Eric nailing Yvetta like a turbo-speed jackhammer, while she stands tied up as his six-hour-long prisoner of love. Ever the gentleman, Eric proceeds with formal introductions, and Yvetta breathlessly greets Sookie in what I can only assume is her native tongue.
It seems she doesn’t much mind being watched by the hot angry blonde in the lavender bridesmaid cocktail dress… and frankly, she’s probably all too happy to take a time out.
We also find out that Yvetta is not Czech, but Estonian. I will point out that Estonia is a bordering country of Latvia—the home country of the Queen’s tasty pet, Ludis—and that between the 1500s and the 1700s, it was under Swedish rule. So there might be a subtle history joke happening here… if not much, much more.
Anyway, Sookie thinks Eric took Bill, which he casually denies. She raises the possibility of Lorena’s involvement, and he concedes that this is the more likely scenario, but don’t even think about hunting that bitch down like some Maury Povich guest armed with paternity test results. It’s unbecoming. And dangerous. Let Eric take care of it, because he’s the sheriff and whatnot.
In the midst of all this, we get a crack on Bill’s sex abilities and a quiet admission that ERIC WANT.
Sookie’s not hearing it and takes off pretending like she wasn’t just scandalized six ways to Sunday.
Meanwhile, Bill takes a page from Toonces the Driving Cat’s book, and sends his car plummeting into the closest ditch—having somehow managed to overpower his captors, gank a pair of gloves, and remove the silver from his neck. Kids take note: Car surfing, like texting, kills. And so does having a chained vampire in your backseat. Bill emerges from the wreckage and “calls” Jessica, who awakens in a panic… and glances at the leftovers decomposing by her side.
Lafayette’s throwing a Tequila and Klonopin party for two back at Sookie’s house, and Tara’s actually calming down—that is, until Sookie waltzes in wondering what the fuck happened. Lafayette explains that Eggs freaked out about his killing spree, and Tara chimes in wanting to know WHO let the cat out of the dirty little bag. Sookie tells her she helped him remember the murders he committed under Maryann’s influence, much to Tara’s indignant disbelief. Commence GIRLFIGHT, in the midst of which Tara charges Sookie with signing her boyfriend’s death warrant, and Sookie insists that they’re in the same boat, because Bill’s gone too. (Yeah… not quite the same thing, Sookie. But whatever.)
Tara doesn’t give a shit, and leaves, insisting that Eggs didn’t need to know ANYTHING and this is all Sookie’s fault for telling him that it WAS actually piss on his leg—NOT rain.
Cut to the Dojo of Doom where Sensei Northman appears to have had his karate practice interrupted by an unwelcome phone call.
Eric’s freaking out on a flunky named Mr. Reuben for not bringing Bill to Fangtasia for a spell as he was told. Not his fault, Reuben says, because Bill was already gone when he got to the restaurant. (Umm—how did he know where they were? Discuss.) Eric doesn’t want to hear it and tells him to fix that shit or die.
Pam tells Daddy that he’s “losing it” and urges him to call the Queen before someone else does because HER ass is on the line, too. Eric says thanks, but no thanks, for that unsolicited advice.
Sigh.
Oh, Eric. I cannot imagine WHAT plans you could have possibly had for Bill upon his delivery. But I will say that if it was to involve anything close to what you were doing with Yvetta, I will sport my finest fringed ladybangs, adopt my most authentic antebellum accent, and gladly stand in for Bill “SOOKEH IS MAHN” Compton.
The Queen may not be any happier with the situation… but I most certainly would be. Just keep screaming into that Bluetooth, please, because you’re really hot when you’re angry.
Moving on…
Alone in his hotel room, Sam answers the door for a shirtless and secksi Bill, who is giving some SERIOUS gay face. May ah use your showah? And if you could spare a shirt, ah’d be much oblahged. Ever the self-sacrificial shifter, Sam offers the shirt off his back—and Beel is taking WHATEVER he’s got to give. He compliments Sam’s hot swimmer’s body, and thanks him for the threads. He’ll go take that shower now… unless Sam would care to join him?
“Yeah,” Sam says, making the shamiest of all shame faces. “I think I would.” Oooooh, GOOD! Bill and Sam are gonna have LOADS of fun, because didn’t you know? THE WATER IN ARKANSAS IS VERY HARD. Bill makes his move and…
GOTCHA! It was a dream. Were you fooled? Because if I hadn’t spoiled myself to hell and back, I might have been.
Anyway, Sam claims to be HAPPY that the chatty lady on the phone woke him up—you just keep telling yourself that, Sammy—while she explains that the Mickens family hasn’t been seen since they were evicted from their last house three years ago. But their sheisty son works at a nearby garage, where he likes to sell bald tires to his customers, if you really want to know.
Sam’s on it… as soon as he takes a cold, hard shower, of course.
And that brings us to the second of this episode’s numerous prophetic conversations—this one starring Hoyt and Jason, who are back together again with the road crew.
“If I know my Momma,” Hoyt speculates, “she’s probably out there tellin’ all her friends that she did me a favor by lyin’ to me all those years. But I just feel betrayed.”
“I don’t know Bubba,” interjects Jason. “I think I’m with Big Maxine on this one. Weren’t you happier before? When your daddy was still shot by a robber instead of by hisself?”
“Not really,” says Hoyt, “because before, I belonged to her 24/7,365. But now, it’s like they say, the truth has set me free. “
In yet another moment of obvious irony, Jason says that sounds an awful lot like the religious bullshit Steve Newlin was trying to sell him on. But he’s got his doubts about it now. “People are always tryin’ to fuck up people’s lives by tellin’ lies about them,” he says. But, if “you want to really fuck up someone’s life, tell them the truth about them. They ain’t never gonna be the same.”
Did that hurt, guys? Because you just got beat with the FORESHADOWING bat.
This conversation does, however, beg the fundamental question: Does the truth REALLY set you free? Or, like Eggs discovered, does it simply imprison you FOREVER? A case could be made for both, I suppose—but one thing is certain. Once you’ve eaten from that tree, there’s NO GOING BACK. Paradise is as good as LOST.
Anyway, good to see that Jason “HONESTY” Stackhouse is preaching the transcendent value of LIES, seeing as how he’s got a little secret of his own now. Of course, he might have a point… but, you know, whatever makes you feel better, Jason.
Moving on…
Everyone’s favorite codependent Mommy returns, as Lettie-Mae shows up to relieve Lafayette of his Tara-sitting duties. Lafayette hasn’t the slightest idea why Tara still wants anything to do with her, as these two ladies are definitely out to destroy each other. Like a moth to a flame, he says—and he’s right. Lettie-Mae righteously proclaims that Tara knows “in times of trouble, a Momma’s the only person her baby can turn to.”
O RLY? Get ready Lorena… ‘cause your baby’s comin’ home soon!
Anyway, Lafayette tells Lettie-Mae to STFU and jump off the Jesus Train long enough to keep an eye on her daughter for a change. Then he drives off in his hot-ass car, which spoilers sadly suggest is not long for this world.
Sigh.
Back at the police station, Sookie harangues Sheriff Dearborn to get his ass in gear and start looking for her boyfriend—but Bud simply tells her it sucks to be you, because he actually has REAL dead people to take care of in this town. (OUCHIES.) Sookie tells him he should respect his elders—which seems ironic since her boyfriend has a little problem with authority himself—and gives Sheriff Dearborn a well-deserved guilt trip before leaving.
Back in Arkansas, we learn that Sam can read! Tommy hit the bricks six months ago, says TOMMY. But Sam is no fool… is he?
Meanwhile, back at Lafayette’s house, Tara’s getting preached on from the cold comfort of her mother’s lap. Reverend Daniels tells her that sure, this devil woman showed up, shacked you up with an ex-con underwear model, and tried to pull you down to the pits of hell. But it’s all good, because it was all part of God’s plan to bring you back you your Moms.
“And I’m so glad you’re back,” says Lettie-Mae. “Ain’t nobody ever gonna get to you again, baby girl. It’s just you and me now.”
SURE IT IS.
Bill climbs out of the ground, and sadly, there’s no one there to have sex with.
Jessica wakes up and the phone is ringing. It’s Hoyt! *shameface* Did she get his flowers? Oh, they miss eachother! When can Hoyt see you again, Jessica? Because he got a haircut he thinks you’re going to like… it looks kind of badass, if he says so himself. (Indeed, the haircut DOES look rather MILITARY, doesn’t it? Not too unlike ERIC’S new hair, which has NOT been explained… YET.) [Don't hold your breath - SVB]
Sorry, Hoyt, but Jessica’s got a fresh corpse to deal with KTHXBAI. She hugs the roses again, probably to get the smell of dead body out her nose.
I think we can assume, then, that she DIDN’T succeed in turning the trucker… which, I’ll admit, leaves me crying on the inside. Why?
Well, Jessica’s sheltered existence as Bill’s “daughter” is just an undead extension of her life with her human family, which was stapled down with Bible study and homeschool. Bill pressed the importance of “abstinence” on Jessica—insisting upon a True-Blood-only diet, instead of showing her the ropes of safe “feeding.”
Thus, Jessica is the vampire equivalent of the preacher’s daughter who blows the football team. Or random guys at truck stops. Whatevs—you know what I mean.
This metaphor has been obvious since we first met Jessica. And now, the writers have taken it to its most logical conclusion: TEEN PREGNANCY.
You can thank MR. MASpencer for this observation, as he’s the one who pointed it out to me. If Jessica came out of this mess with a “baby” on her hands, she’d be Bon Temps’ very own Bristol Palin with fangs. And I would raise my glass to the writers for their limitless genius. Alas, it appears dude is dead… but the metaphor still holds.
I will, however, submit the possibility that he DOES eventually rise… and that someone will be put to the task of killing him (again) FOR Jessica. Which would probably be for the best—and which also introduces a WHOLE ‘nother dimension to the metaphor.
But let’s not put the cart before the horse…
Back at Fangtasia, Yvetta is looking all hot on the pole, while Eric is perving out, and they’re giving each other sexy eyes.
But then, resident boner-killer Sophie-Anne walks in with the Magister—looking FABULOUS, may I say, in a retro satin jumpsuit and furs that look conspicuously like timber wolf. Eric rushes to greet them, telling the Magister “it’s been too long” with an ingratiating and nervous half-smile—which is disarming.
Sophie-Anne says they need to talk, so Eric should probably close up. That won’t be necessary, he says—we can just use my office. Umm, NO, says Sophie Anne. That shit is bugged, and I know because I’M the one who bugged it. It’s how I know I can trust you. (So what difference does it make if the office IS bugged by her, then, hmmm? Is Sophie-Anne telling the truth here, or is she just saying that for the Magister’s benefit? Discuss.)
Sophie-Anne tells everyone to GTFO. Except Yvetta… she can stay. NO HUMANS, says the Magister…I need full attention from you both. But the strange telenovela glances between these three make fairly clear that not only is Yvetta a SPY, but she’s NOT human, either.
Meanwhile, Eric is behind them literally AND figuratively, as he doesn’t seem to notice the big fat BOMB that was just planted right in front of him.
The Magister gets down to brass tacks. Mr. Northman, are you aware that your idyllic little home is becoming the V capitol of the world? Sophie-Anne is all OMG, can you believe it? I am SO embarrassed. Of course you’re the only vampire that could be trusted, isn’t that right, Eric?
The blood is sacred, continues the Magister. Wasting it on anything other than procreation is blasphemy. Oh… I suppose you don’t approve of recreational sex—I mean blood exchange—either. Eric hasn’t noticed an uptake in users—but since every OTHER sheriff has, we can only assume a vampire is responsible. (You mean a vampire from Dallas? Like, maybe, one who uses the alias Pussylover9???)
Sophie-Anne balks. A VAMPIRE selling VAMPIRE BLOOD???? Horror of horrors!
This is an act of self-loathing SO shameful that whoever is responsible should fall on his own stake, she elaborates, her gaze shifting noticeably in ERIC’S direction. Eric’s lost on the logic here—get with the program, Northman!—to which the Magister explains that if your average run-of-the-mill drainers were behind this, said drainers need vampires to drain. So are there missing vampires???
No missing vampires, says Eric with shifty eyes and an obvious shameface. But he’s on the case, and will deliver results. Unfortunately, the Magister totally knows something stinks.
Speaking of which, Arlene’s pregnant. SURPRISE!
Jason introduces Hoyt to two hot young veterinary students. Not surprisingly, these two crazy co-eds are getting their degrees in canine psychology. Their assessment: Hoyt’s a sad puppy and Jason is a lab. Jason uses his most reliable moves to bring these ladies home for the evening, while Andy looks on with approval from a few tables back. Hoyt, however, is not so enthusiastic, and questions his ability to handle the requisite pussy overflow that comes with being Jason’s wingman.
Back at Fangtasia, Eric and Sophie-Anne want to know exactly what will happen to the responsible vampire when they find him… or her. Obviously, the guilty party must be made an example of. Moral anarchy cannot be allowed, kids.
Aaaaand game faces OFF. Sophie-Anne says the Magister is dumb and playing by the rules is depressing. Eric knows the Magister is suspicious. So Sophie-Anne, like any good little mafia boss would do after a shakedown, suggests clearing out the product. The IRS pigs are breathing down her neck. Momma needs some money. Like NOW.
Eric questions her judgment—she once again manhandles his face. And his meatpole.
She tells him to RESPECT HER AUTHORITAH and MOVE THE FUCKING BLOOD. Because hell hath no fury like a vampire Queen broke.
What’s that? Bill Compton’s gone, you say? Who cares??? LET HIM ROT. Oh, Sophie-Anne, I never guessed that YOU would be the loudest voice of reason in this episode. Oh, and Eric’s FUCKED.
Pam pays Sookie a visit, and wastes no time in complimenting Maryann’s unique flair for interior design. She’s got a check for Sookie, which includes what I can only assume is a hefty bonus. Naturally, Sookie is ungrateful, and Pam calls her out for it. Eric “calls” so she splits.
Terry checks in about date night, but Arlene can’t be bothered. She’s got an embryo to think about.
Having once again snuck up on him in the kitchen at Merlotte’s, Pam orders Lafayette to put the V on clearance, while like any savvy marketer, Lafayette questions the profitability of that move. Pam doesn’t really care what Lafayette thinks, so long as the product is GONE by the time she wakes up. Oh, and Lafayette makes the grave mistake of calling her a hooker.
OOPSIES! Pam will rip a bitch’s throat out and don’t you forget it. Oh, and she’s NOT a hooker… that was a LONG time ago, thankyouverymuch.
Meanwhile, Sookie barges back into Bill’s house. Sookie explains to Jessica that yes, she HAS been called by her maker, and they take off to follow the trail of psychic breadcrumbs Bill has left behind.
Cut back to Bill, who finds a lit house in a clearing. A nice old lady answers the door, and thinks it’s her (dead? prodigal?) son Stanley. No, it’s just Bill Compton, who needs assistance… and food. Sorry, though, no phone. The nice old lady gave it up to pay for her oxygen tank… but no one calls her anyway.
ZOMG Bill EATS the nice old lady!
Back in Bon Temps, Lettie-Mae is busy molesting her Reverend. Tara needs a shower, and Lettie-Mae thinks that’s a great idea! Wash it all away, Tara! Time to start fresh with a DIY baptism! Oh, how I wish it were that easy…
And so does Tara, who runs the shower and sits there with some very bad ideas.
Meanwhile, Sam follows Tommy back to his family’s home in Arkansas, and it’s kinda scary. He rifles through their mail, because shifters laugh in the face of the law.
In a True Blood first, Jason Stackhouse can’t get it up. Hoyt’s being a stick in the mud, and Jason is seeing bullet holes in his playmates’ foreheads. Unfortunately, Jason just can’t keep this information to himself… and the girls decide to grab their clothes and take off. Wah-wah.
As it turns out, Bill—who is WAY better at keeping secrets than Jason is—is glamouring Olivia, who is alive. He was never there, don’t you know, and she will have no memory of what has just happened. Bill finds out that he’s in Mississippi, before he gives Olivia a wad of cash and tells her that her son Stanley came to see her. He did??? Yes, he wanted you to have this money to show you how much he appreciates everything you have ever done for him.
Bill Stanley is such a good vampire boy.
The way Bill touched Olivia’s face and thanked her betrayed more than a superficial amount of tenderness and gratitude. And my grinchy Eric-loving heart grew three sizes bigger at that moment. Bill, you just won me back… tortured self-righteousness and all. You could have killed Olivia, and it’s pretty obvious that no one would have missed her. But… you didn’t. For no other apparent reason than you simply didn’t want to.
Which is why it’s almost too bad (emphasis on ALMOST) that this will probably be the LAST time we see Bill showing anyone anything close to mercy—and that this encounter will almost certainly serve as the ironic opening act in what will be an ugly downward spiral for everyone’s favorite wet blanket.
But that’s not all…
This scene also demonstrates to the audience that Bill CAN restrain himself when he is tortured, drained, and starved. And that means that any future events that may or may not involve Bill, a trunk, and a certain telepathic blonde waitress will be completely and totally and 1,000% on HIM.
Now that I’ve let the air out of that beautiful balloon, let’s get back to Bon Temps, where Lafayette walks in to find Lettie-Mae all OH HAI and reading Men’s Health on the couch while her daughter is off scrubbing away her sins—I mean ATTEMPTING SUICIDE.
Double sigh. Tara, no man is ever worth that shit. Good thing Lafayette’s onto you… now do us all a favor and PULL IT TOGETHER, girl.
While Lafayette’s busy saving Tara from herself, Jessica and Sookie are getting close to the scene of the crime. They find Bill’s overturned car… AND a body… which also happens to bear a familiar looking brand. Using a smart phone that somehow appeared out of thin air—unless Jessica managed to trade in her stolen phone for a more useful model—the ladies discover this:
Operation WERWOLF? Time for an amateur history lesson, courtesy of Professor Wikipedia!
This symbol is called a Wolfsangel– German for “wolf’s hook”– which, when horizontal, also signifies “werewolf.”
It’s an ancient rune symbol appropriated by Nazis, much like the Hindu swastika was. It was, among other things, tied to a Nazi strategy called “Werwolf,” in which secret commando forces (known as “werewolves”) were trained for insurgency– a guerilla plan that was put in place as a last-ditch effort to gain a foothold after the Allies began their advance into Germany.
This is especially timely seeing as how U.S. officials have apparently compared the “Werwolf” operation to the insurgency that’s currently taking place in Iraq. (Something Terry Bellefleur probably knows a thing or two about.) And even more interesting is the fact that, aside from the Nazi and Neo-Nazi associations, this symbol also appears to have strong ties to the Vikings in Denmark and Norway.
Which, of course, establishes a direct link to Eric Northman—something that I know many of us have seen coming for a while now.
Anyway, if you’ve ever read Hunter S. Thompson’s book about the Hell’s Angels—I have not, but my husband has, which is just as good since we share a brain—then you may already be aware that many of the most notorious outlaw biker gangs were fond of flashing Nazi and White Supremacist insignia (most notably, the iron cross, the swastika, and the S.S. bolt) for shock value purposes, if not out of uncompromising hatred toward the non-white, non-American, non-straight population.
Which means Hellooooo werewolf biker NAZIS. Bring the epic battle ON.
To conclude, I’d say that Bill’s pretty fucking lucky he fed. But I guess we’ll find out just HOW lucky next week. In the meantime… what did you think of this long-awaited season 3 premiere?
Sound off below!
Screencaps thanks to Daydreaming
This is AWESOME. Well done you, MAS.
i want to know why was Jessica sleeping when every other Vampire was wide awake?
kick ass review btw
VERY impressive commentary! I love your conspiracy theories as well!! Some things for me to chew on for awhile. I was kinda disappointed myself that we didn’t get to see the GRACIOUS PLENTY in the dungeon of doom. After all, it IS HBO! I am left to wonder…AGAIN! But anyways…now I know where to go for a recap of the episodes! KUDOS!!
Now THAT’S a recap! You deserve a week-long break, MASpencer.
Ahh, great recap, honestly, I was laughing so hard at all your comments. And I enoyed some of the new theories. Plus you manged to mention Toonces the Driving Cat in a True Blood recap, bravo! The whole lavender marriage thing was pretty interesting too, gotta say I agree, I also had a laugh cause I’m sure a few people thought you were trying to call him gay for a second hahaha.
You gotta do these for every episode, it was fantastic!
I am with you LOL
Love the recap
I really like the episode except for the end, i thought that was boring as a cliffhanger. I loved the Eric scenes of course. I like seeing him vulnerable, although it is partially cause he knows hes in trouble. But i actually really like the Eric/Sookie dungeon scene. I thought it was funny and Eric/AS was awesome in that scene and i dont think he could have looked any better.
Very smart witty recap. I look forward to reading them every week.
I just have a few disagreements;
I don’t think Jessica was trying to turn the trucker, just keep him alive. No pregnancy tie-in.
If Bill is supposed to take Sookie for the Queen, like in the books, then the lavender dress is nothing more than an unflattering bridesmaid’s outfit. It shows more of Bill’s outdated and conservative taste, as opposed to the modern sensual, competent, single woman that Sookie is(in the books).
Eric is not hot when he throws a tantrum. He’s 1,000+ years old, and has more control than that. He gets cold and calm, as he works the chess pieces in his head.
And except for the almost full shots of Eric’s body, that was the least sexy sex scene I’ve ever watched. He has those cute dimples right above his tush! That saved it. Sookie needed more reaction to him sauntering over to her after he withdrew from Yvetta. He must have been stiff and shining. it would have been the apex of politeness, for the well brought up Southern girl, to offer him a tissue.
MAS, awesome job! Not only did you have some very witty comments, but great insights (Bill’s “beard”, all the foreshadowing, etc.). Plus the pic choices are wonderful!
Gaijin–I really think that Jessica was trying to turn the trucker. Not that she originally intended to, but I think she recognized that he was dying (although by that time he was probably already dead) & thought that turning him was the only way to “save” him. Unfortunately, this is yet another thing that Bill didn’t teach her about, so she doesn’t know how it works.
Also, I think that even though Bill was originally sent by QSA, he now at least thinks that he loves Sookie. IMO, he thinks that loving her helps give him his humanity back, & that is his main desire. So in that way I definitely think that MAS was right–he’s deluding himself into believing that he can live the “good” life & not give in to his vampire tendencies. He’s doomed to fail, but he’ll cling to it as long as he can.
On a separate note, all this time I’ve been griping about QSA grabbing Eric’s face, when I should’ve been worrying about his package!
Yes that is right I’m from the south and I would offer him a tissue and help him
Southern lady’s would do that
Great recap MAS, & Thanks SVB for letting her do this every week. I’m going to watch the episode again before i make to many comments, due to a sick (and not dirty sick *wink*) brain… i hope to pick up on things that i didn’t notice earlier
Fabulous job MAS! You have been holding out on us. Your lavender marriage theory hits the mark on so many levels that I am quite enchanted with it. The literal one turns out to be quite ironic because Bill had to do something more gay than playing with his titties to get Coot to release his choke chain and uncuff him. The only clue is Bill’s pointed glance at Coot’s crotch and then their eye contact. Somehow I don’t think that Eric’s homosexual encounter will be as furtive.
Oh, Renee. I DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE THAT.
Once again, you have rocked my world! I KNEW I was missing something with that scene!!!!
Watch the scene in slo mo. Before ‘The Look’ there is some graphic foreshadowing with Coot and his glove.
Renee, not to counter your point, but to ask a related question, can Weres be glamoured? I would think they can, I’m surprised we didn’t see Bill use it, unless he did and its another thing I missed, lol.
It doesn’t make sense to me that RE would send Weres to kidnap Bill if they could be glamoured. With MA not being able to control other supes and Sookie and Barry not being able to be glamoured, my guess is that supes don’t have supernatural power over one another.
I think that when Bill CAN’T glamour, he uses other ways to manipulate his way out of/into a situation. Glamouring is like his specialty, and he does it very well, in many different ways.
Not being able to glamour the werewolves, it makes an ABSURD amount of sense that, alone in the back of the car with Coot, he would offer sexual services– and that while he was down there, he would grab the gloves, remove the silver, and take off.
Or, the suggestion could also be that he was sexually assaulted, Deliverance-style. But, I could see Bill doing and saying whatever he had to do to get free– even if it meant blowing the nasty werewolf who kidnapped him.
And I CAN’T BELIEVE I JUST WROTE THAT SENTENCE. LOL!!
“blowing the nasty werewolf”
Something tells me that wouldn’t have been a first for Bill.
Great review MAS, and you both both are right about the gay marriage and the homoerotic nuance of the scene. In fact, last year I made here the same observation about Sookie’s lavander dress and gay marriages, also because Bill brought her tickets to Vermont. And Vermont was the first state to legalise same-sex marriage through legislature’s vote in US.
Very clever and entertaining recap, MAS. I was particularly interested in your conclusion about Bill’s ability to control himself when tortured, drained and starved and its relevance to the possible car boot scene.
Love GaijinVamp’s observation about Sookie’s failure to offer a tissue. I suppose her etiquette book didn’t cover this situation. She really should have reacted more to the sight before her though. Not only must he have been stiff and shining, but he ended up standing pretty close to her with his hands on his hips, thrusting said stiff and shining GP toward her. It must have been just about prodding her in the abdomen, but she was able to almost ignore it and carry on a conversation about Beehl, even while Eric was telling her he wanted her. My brain’s turning to mush just thinking about it.
Mill, I think Eric says it well when he tells Sookie that her obsession with Beel is going to get herself killed. It also shows that she is a horse with blinkers on, and just doesn’t see anything around her. She only stumbles for a second when she comes across the scene, and then moves into FBI Sookie, asking questions. It takes an women obsessed with a man she has known for a few months not to notice the massive erection in from of her.
I personally wonder what she was getting off Yvetta, and what feelings Eric was picking up on Sookie. And he most certainly know about the ring, as she has her hand on the banister when she turns around and tells Eric he owes her 10k
Oh, I think she noticed it DR. She quickly scanned him just before she said “then do it” and turned to go up the stairs. I am most certain that Eric was able to pick up on her emotions in that scene, possibly confusion, embarassment and jealousy.
But, yes, I think it is the effect of Bill’s blood that has caused this obsession that she has with Bill, and it really has only been a few weeks (not months) she has been with him.
it really has only been a few weeks (not months) she has been with him.
Yep. I think it was Loving True Blood in Dallas that figured out that s1 and s2 took place over a period of no more than SIX WEEKS. (and only two days have passed since) When you think about this timeline the proposal becomes absolutely ridiculous.
i read in an interview with one of the actors that it was 2 weeks per season :/ i wish i could remember where i read that, though
“I personally wonder what she was getting off Yvetta” -dazedrose
You know what’s funny? I actually tend to forget that show Sookie is telepathic. Sometimes I wonder if the writers do to.
In TB she can’t remember she’s a telepath if Bill doesn’t reminds her LMAO!
I think he should have given the shiny flagpole a quick wipe on that dreadful dress!
Fantastic commentary on the episode! I really enjoyed reading it.
Hi all, been floating round for ages now but never posted but can I just congratulate MASPencer on an excellent review, you had me laughing throughout. Can’t wait for next weeks episode, can I just enquire on the Sam/bill sequence, are we to assume that Sam had this dream because he’s had bill’s blood just like sookie and lafyette did after having erics blood or is it leading somewhere? I must have missed all the spoilers on this one!
Thank you, Michelle!
Ah the Sam/Bill dream. What a Pandora’s Box this is LOL.
Aside from the obvious titillation factor, Sam dreaming about Bill like that shows us a few other things. I don’t think we’re meant to think this is going anywhere, but they are using it to lay some ground rules about how blood exchanges are going to work.
Ground rule #1. The dreamer will have sex dreams/feel attracted to the vampire after having their blood regardless of whether an attraction existed before.
This is a huge departure from the books.
We can fairly safely assume that Sam does not/would not/HAS NEVER felt sexually attracted to Bill. Then he has his blood in quantity and BAM! Mansex dreams?
This has some rather serious implications for one Mr Bill Compton and his telepath you would think, since he nearly broke his neck to point out the miniscule amount of Eric’s blood she imbibed in the bullet sucking would make her want Eric’s sexy – but never said ONE DAMN THING about his own blood having the same effect on her. Even though she had that blood in COPIOUS amounts. When Sookie finally gets five minutes to herself and works this shit out, he be running for cover.
Whether Sookie is *really* attracted to Eric (and whether Lafayette is either, for that matter) is still quite murky. So they’ve done this sex dream between two characters we KNOW aren’t attracted to eachother sexually to remove that ambiguity and demonstrate the impact of the blood.
AB admitted that Sookie isnt only attracted to Eric because of the blood, as did AS though. Because of the whole Dallas thing. So at least we know some of it is read. I personally thought Timebomb 2.08 is when she started being really attracted to him(and possibly before that actually), before the blood.
*at least we know some of it is real. And i personally think shes always thought he was hot, just didnt like him. But that changed in Dallas.
Sookie always has been sexual attractive to Eric but did not like him. Bill is always saying bad things about Eric.
ohh I agrew with you 110%!!
I think Sookie definately has definately considered Eric attrative since she first laid eyes on him (who wouldn’t?? LOL), and even Billy boy picked up on it with his bitter “You noticed him did you?”
But I think her *attraction* to him began during Timebomb as well because she saw the selflessness and humanity he was capable of (his love/loyalty for Godric, his willingness to sacrafice himself for both Godric and Sookie, etc) and I think Episode 9′s rooftop scene with Godric really dug it in… I can only hope that this season Eric reveals more of that side to Sookie so he can knock Beehl out of the ballpark already!!
Another ground rule that may be brought to light in this dream sequence. The possibility that the vampire and human that ingests his or her blood share dreams. Notice that Bill came to the door in pants, but no shirt. How could Sam have possibly known that Bill would have gone to ground dressed in only pants during his dream? They were both asleep at the same time because it was daylight when Sam woke up to his phone ringing. AND, if they vampire and human can share dreams, consider the possibility of Eric and Sookie sharing the dreams that took place last season.
The fact that in reality, Bill was dirty, shirtless, and in need of help proves that the blood dreams aren’t merely the projections of the of the dreamer. Nor do I believe that vampires control the dreams. Outside of the obvious sexualized content, they seem to allow the dreamer to tap into the subconscious of the vamp.
You have Bill’s mournful musical theme…but this time it’s discordant and slightly sinister sounding. The dream opens with Bill knocking on the door and stating, “It’s Bill Compton. I need your help.” However, once invited inside he’s obviously more interested in seducing Sam than he is in calling for assistance.
“I’ll take whatever I can get.” Bill certainly does take whatever he can get (be it a necklace stolen from the body of one his murder victims, heavily discounted ring acquired through glamor, or the blood of an elderly infirm woman on oxygen.)
Disturbed by the sexual aspects of the dream, Sam doesn’t comprehend its true meaning: Bill is a charming and dangerous predator who came to Bon Temps on false pretenses. And more importantly, his seduction of Sookie began with the pretext of needing help.
ooo i loved that interp
{The fact that in reality, Bill was dirty, shirtless, and in need of help proves that the blood dreams aren’t merely the projections of the of the dreamer. Nor do I believe that vampires control the dreams. Outside of the obvious sexualized content, they seem to allow the dreamer to tap into the subconscious of the vamp.}
I agree with this, Penny. I think this is exactly right.
There’s also the question of HOW Sam behaved in his dream. When Sookie and Layfayette dreamed about Eric, they behaved the same way as they would have behaved in that type of situation IRL (ie E/S flirty banter)-
In light of that, am I the only one that thinks that Sam going into submissive mode is indicative of what he had to do to survive after being kicked out of his parents house? I mean, they’ve alluded to the fact that he ‘worked the streets’ as a teenager in previous seasons, or is that in my head??
It’s only a half formed theory, but I get the feeling the TB blood bond is more enlightening into the human’s inner psyche than we’re giving it credit for. . .
I’ve always thought of Sam as submissive. His relationship with Maryanne was indicative of a dom/sub relationship in how she controlled him and played the dominant personality.
He shifts into a DOG, ffs! LOL.
This is highly appropriate, since he has spent 10 books lapping at Sookie’s feet, gobbling down any stray bone she thinks to throw his way. He is totally submissive!
Haha. Exactly!
AB loves to play with our preconceived notions about gender roles and personality, so why wouldn’t he include dominants/submissives? QSA and Hadley are another example of this kind of relationship.
Within the leather community a SAM is a smart ass masochist
I’m also happy that I wasn’t the only one that picked up the vibe that Sam was a bottom.
LOL. That is excellent, penny! Smart Ass Masochist!
Nice recap!
About Jessica’s phone… that’s the same one she stole from the driver last season. I only point this out because I know this because I used to own that model and it died on me, and I was *devestated*, I’m tellin’ ya.
Ah… for some reason, I thought it was a more basic phone. Thanks for the correction!
Yes, why was Jessica napping? It wasn’t afterglow, for sure!
Why didn’t Beel feed on werewolves after the wreck, instead of going after a little old lady? Surely at least one of them didn’t die immediately from the crash, but we didn’t even see him check any for a pulse. A snack from an octogenarian gives Beel enough ooomph to take on a pack of werewolves in wolf form? Wow. She must have taken One-a-Days.
Six hours of high-speed jackhammering? Really? That’s a lot of friction. Any Boy Scout would be able to predict a brush fire. Or is that bush fire?
By now I’ve watched the episode about three times, but still appreciate the recap!
Ha, ha
amd as we could tell when the camera panned back, Yvetta had no bush at all. I think it must have combusted. Or maybe hopped off for a rest lol
Great recap Mas, you did an excellent job. I was waiting to hear more about the symbol we saw for operation werwolf, and I knew we’d get the answer from you in your recap.
I loved Jason little speech about honesty, it basically sums up most of the season and we will find out just how much honesty can hurt and doesn’t always set you free, or wait maybe that is exactly what it does and I’m hoping.
I can’t wait until Tara meets FM because I was annoyed with her scenes. I want to feel bad for her but I just couldn’t get into her storyline. I know once FM comes along we’ll all watch her scenes very carefully
I am not liking this whole Eric sending Mr. Reuben thing going on. I really do not understand Eric sending someone to a restaurant to get Bill and bring him back to Fangtasia. That does not sound like a great kidnapping plan, so I’m still hoping that Eric wanted to bring Bill in and scare him just a little in order to guarantee Bill keeps his mouth shut. Eric is Bill’s Sheriff, he doesn’t need to kidnap him but I think they are just making us think this and not really what was supposed to happen.
QSA-I’m trying to figure her out. Is she really just this crazy and irresponsible with her money or is there more to her. Does she really not care that Bill is kidnapped? Watching it the 3rd time lol, I wondered if the reason she said “Let him rot” is because Bill only knows about Eric’s involvement so why should she care(is she that stupid and doesn’t think it can lead back to her) OR is she saying “Let him rot” for both their benefit as in good maybe something happened to him and the one person who can link us to the V dealing is out of the way and we don’t have to worry about him anymore. Is she only worried about the IRS? was this all really about money and is she that worried that she cares more about the IRS than the Magister thinking she is involved? I have to give Eric credit for dealing with her, he really has a lot of control to not lash out at her when she attacks him or even trying to stay respectful and calm during their conversation when he looks at her in amazement for being stupid enough to believe the Magister bought their story.
I dont think it was a kidnapping plan. He wanted Bill to come to Fangtasia, and Eric knew lately he hadnt been cooperating, so knew he probably wouldnt willingly come. And Bill has ignored him before, remember when Eric showed up in the bathtub after he ignored him? lol. So thats why Eric sent his guys. And honestly we dont know that Eric didnt try to call, and Bill ignored him. I thought that the guys would have told Bill to come with them, and if he didnt listen they would make him simple as that. Eric just wanted to threaten him to shut up about the V and all the insubordination.
Yeah, I agree Ashley. That’s my take on it as well.
That is what I think and hope too, AB better not throw this at Eric too.
But I think the purpose is to be confused in the first ep as to who took Bill. You have the Magister come and say that it has to be vamps selling V because otherwise there would be missing vampires which are kidnapped by drainers. All we see in ep 1 is that Bill was kidnapped by people addicted to V so people are going to even think this was the purpose. Then we saw Eric and the Queen talked about Bill knowing in S2 so maybe some will think that Eric and QSA both needed to take care of this, and Eric was going to but maybe the queen did instead and why she is not worried about Bill missing. These are things that people who dont read spoilers and haven’t read the books are going to assume. It leaves you wondering well who took Bill and why.
I think QSA doesn’t care because, at least in her mind, if Bill does spill the beans, Eric will be the only one going down for it. Eric told her in the finale that Bill doesn’t know that she’s supplying the blood, so why should she care? I’m sure she’s perfectly willing to let Eric take the fall for it, especially considering how she was “threatening” him with the magister.
I forgot to say, thank you for the Ludis and Estonia connection you made. My original thoughts about Yvetta was that she is a spy for QSA. Czech woman in LA, I associated her with Ludis at QSA palace, so it’s what made me even think of it. Well they changed her nationality now but theory still applies and even more so now. The looks exchanged between QSA and Yvetta seems to have made many of us wonder and the fact that she didn’t mind if she stayed for the conversation. But who knows what will really play out in the end, whether she was sent by QSA or connection to Hallow, maybe she was sent by RE but this girl has to be a spy.
I wonder why Sookie is talking with Isabelle when Pam comes to the house. Why is she going over/round Eric, even after he said he would help???
Because she’s going to try every other man/woman/vampire and his dog before she swallows her pride and goes begging to him.
You know, because she HATES him so much. LOL.
Well she went to Eric after the police, but i think she doesnt really believe that hes going to do all he can to help her, so shes covering all her bases. Especially since Isabel is now the sheriff in Dallas and might know something Eric doesnt.
Sookie does not trust Eric because she does know him yet. If I was her, I would had done the same thing.
Ahh that was more fun to read than watch! I look forward to many more through out the season.
Brilliant review !! Was spot on and had me laughing rather a lot, loved the lavender wedding tangent! I also think Yvetta is not human and is very much up to something.
Looking forward to next week !
great review MAS..almost laughed more reading it than i did watching the ep!
keep up the good work!
Yvetta is definatily a spy..in the minisode shes wearing a fur vest and what is QSA wearing in the first ep? FUR VEST
Freaking AWESOME recap, MAS!!! Loved it! Now, you KNOOOOOOOOW the first thing I’m going to comment on is this….Eric had nothing to do with that stupid fucking proposal or anything related to it! I will DESTROOOOY YOU!
In any case, I agree with the “lavender marriage” – that is spot on! By the way, in my opinion, that’s why they had Pam mention the color and had Sookie give her the “lesbian” line. Also, in my opinion, I thought immediately of the Queen when Pam said that as well because “lavender” is probably the Queen’s “favorite” color too – if you get my drift. 
Okay, I’m off to work but will back to comment some more later!
By the way, I just want to add that the fact that Eric sent Reuben to bring Bill in that night tells me that he wasn’t involved in the proposal or the edict because he wouldn’t have defied the Queen and had them interrupted. I think that was one of the points of the whole “bring me Bill Compton” situation. It let’s us know that Eric does not know about the Queen’s plans for Sookie. Also, he would have mentioned something to the Queen during the “Bill is missing” conversation and he didn’t. His appeal was strictly related to the Queen.
LOL! I KNEW that would set you off, VL!
But you’re right– and I’m not inclined to assign any more credit to it than it’s worth. And I DO agree with you about Eric’s decision to bring in Bill. But I think this episode also made clear that Eric is getting desperate, and doesn’t really know what’s going on about ANYTHING. To his own detriment.
I like my Viking smart, but I think he’s acting REALLY stupid right now. Here’s hoping he wises up fast as the season continues, because I’ve suspected for some time that Eric was being set up by the Queen. The events in this episode certainly didn’t discount that possibility, and I think they even offered more support for it.
{LOL! I KNEW that would set you off, VL! } Hahahaha! I KNEW IT!!!
You’re so bad Missy!
I definitely agree that QSA is DEFINITELY trying to set him up. He was so aggravated by her – I loved the way he looked at her when she was all “oh goodness, the self loathing of the person selling V/the person should fall on HIS own stake”. LOL What a bitch!! I did love it when she asked the Magister “how will HE be punished” and Eric added “or HER”. I do disagree that he is acting stupid right now though – I don’t think he is. I think he’s well aware that he’s being set up but I think he’s just trying to figure out how the hell to get out of it. Now he’s pressed between QSA’s craziness and the Magister’s “get results” demand. My poor Baby.
I have to defend Eric a little bit because i think hes not used to feeling vulnerable and right now i think he feels like hes stuck in a situation with no way out. And honestly i think the queen showing up unannounced with the magister in tow was done ON PURPOSE to shake ERic up. If the Queen was so worried about the magister finding out, why didnt she brief Eric before showing up unannounced with the magister. The Queens up to something, and shes making sure Eric looks guilty if you ask me. Eric didnt have any time to get his story straight, which is why he said V use hadnt gone up in the area. The Queen should have told him before they showed up to say that V sales had gone up so he wouldnt look suspicious. She wanted Eric shaken and she wanted the magister to notice. She even told him shes not concerned what happens to him, in different words.
I agree, Ashley. That, combined with the fact that Godric just died, makes this REALLY bad timing for Eric. Or, some might say, suspiciously PERFECT timing for whoever might want to see him go down.
yep, that b*tch of a Queen may be crazy, but she knows how to take someone down it looks like.
Yep, I agree with everything you said Ashley. She also wanted to show the Magister (with that little act of hers) that if he does discover that Eric is selling V, that she not involved and would want him punished to the full extent of the law.
Agreed, Ashley. There was an interview with AS where he said that Eric despises weakness, so him feeling out of control of a situation creates a feeling of weakness that makes him angry and upset. This could be his Achilles Heel, honestly. Weakness/humanity is something he denies himself and it creates more problems than it helps. Much like Bill denying his vampire nature and wanting so badly to be human that he lies and manipulates to get the outcome he desires, no matter who it may hurt.
QSA is definitely setting him up.
Loved your recap.
I hope TB explains how/when the queen had Eric start selling her blood. In S2, he’s holding Laf and inquiring into Eddie’s disappearance. Did she contact Eric after hearing him question V sellers in his office? Why would QSA think Eric would be loyal to her and go along with her plan to sell blood and her other sheriffs would not?
Also I was wondering if Eric’s question to the Magister about the punishment for the responsible party being public was foreshadowing too? Maybe S4 setup?
Bill: are they really suppose to depict the trunk scene this year? The whole graveyard sex dynamic from the books was pasteurized for S1. I assumed they were either going to bypass it or if it happens, attribute it to another character.
[Eric is not hot when he throws a tantrum. He’s 1,000+ years old, and has more control than that. He gets cold and calm, as he works the chess pieces in his head.]
Also I agree with Gaijinvamp’s statement above. Even last year in S2 when Eric threw something when Stan and Isabelle were arguing about FotS, I thought a 1000 year old vampire would have a higher frustration tolerance.
I think theyll do something like it. I mean the Lorena/Bil flashback was gruesome, but people defended him by saying that was the past and hes changed. But if he does something like it NOW, theres no defense really. Not a strong one. Theyll at least have to stop saying ERics so much worse than Bill LOL.
Eric only lets his guard down when hes very upset or experiencing something hes not used to feeling. He threw the vase because he was so upset about Godric, and hes freaking out about Bill because now his own life, and Pams life, are at stake.
Ashley, you’re on a roll Woman!
I love it and I agree. Honestly, all of the vamps on TB show extreme emotions at times (Stan, QSA, Isabel’s love for Hugo, etc).
Haha thanks…yeah i agree the vampires just arent as used to expressing themselves and feeling like humans. I think thats one of the reason Bill is so obsessed with Sookie. He knows shes what brought back his humanity and without her hes afraid of what will happen, because he knows that the side hes been showing her is the PG side and Sookie doesnt know the real Bill, and what hes capable of. Just like she doesnt know the real Eric yet.
LOL. I posted something similar upthread before reading your astute analysis, Ashley! You are right on the money with your assessment, in my opinion.
On the show I think it works, if he just stayed calm like he usually does in the books then it won’t create the drama needed for the show. I don’t think it would play out the same way.
It also shows us that Eric is a LOT more “human” than he would have anyone– himself included– believe.
Very good point mas!!! it works in the books but like you said to see it visually it would just come off cold I think. It does make him more human plus who can blame him, a vamp selling V can get you into a lot of trouble so if he stayed calm and didn’t show the audience just how serious this is then people wouldn’t pick up on that. Also, we only saw him lose his cool while he was alone with Pam, maybe he was like that in the books too but whenever he was around Sookie he kept his cool. How do we know he didn’t lose it too when Bill went missing, he let it out and then went to see SOokie when he was calm lol. He keeps it together when the Magister comes in and QSA reveals she has his office bugged, is questioned by the Magister and then has to deal with that crazy bitch.
Eric had a 100% poker face when Sookie told him about Bill’s napping. Then the moment Sookie left, his expression changed completely. I loved that!
{Eric had a 100% poker face when Sookie told him about Bill’s napping. Then the moment Sookie left, his expression changed completely. I loved that!}
I loved it too, Hime!
I thought it was brilliant
He usually keeps his cool around Sookie and jokes even. But right after she leaves he’s fuming!
OMG I just watched that scene again (yes, I’m obsessed) and you guys are so right – he is totally pissed when he realizes Sookie caught them. lol I love how he reverts to humor so he can regain his compusure and his “game” face. Too funny! You know, I bitched a lot about that scene and now I find that it is one of my favorites.
I love the exchange he and Pam have:
E (in a semi snarky tone): I take it Sookie couldn’t be stopped.
P: What can I say? She overpowered me.
E: Off you go Pam.
Hahahaha! Loved it!
I agree. I also think this is leading up to TB showing that even when Eric is out of control (with anger and hunger), Sookie is safe with him. That won’t leave room for the BB’s to excuse Bill’s domestic abuse or his near draining of Sookie with the mantra that it’s just his vampire nature.
Bill only expresses anger when he’s trying to intimidate someone, ie Jessica and Sookie. He uses it to turn everything around on them and make them think twice about ‘disobeying’ him in the future lest they feel his wrath again. Eric’s anger is an understandable–and human—reaction to dire circumstances.
Eric is thousand year old and he does not need much blood than Bill. We really don’t what Eric will do if he was very hungry.
I think Eric will be drained as punishment for selling V. Sookie will either try to rescue him or the magister will arrange the punishment so that it’s like Hugo and Isabel’s in the book.
If Eric was drained as punishment, Eric would be dead or he will drain the next person he see and that includes Sookie would be in trouble. Bill will rescue Sookie from Eric.
I can see Magiste will order the person to be stake for selling V.
I doubt Eric going to be near drain at all.
LLE -
if that happens (bill saving sookie from eric) i am srsly done with this show.
and i don’t believe it will happen tbh. no disrespect or anything, i just disagree on that one.
If that happen HBO will go off the Monday after that shows
I would like to see that, Renée. If previously Bill attacked Sookie, and in the same dire straits Eric does not and manages to control himself and not to harm Sookie, it would throw a very deep shadow on Billy.
However, have you already seen the spoiler pic from set where Eric appears to be tortured and drained? That would confirm your theory.
No! Where did you see that???
I’ve been lurking forever, so forgive me if my amateur insights prove completely off-target. but your suggestion that Bill provided sexual services to escape Coot reminds me of Sookie lying with Mike Spencer prior to donging him on the head with the frying pan in her kitchen.
Great connection, bridget! It’s all relative isn’t it? For Soookie with her limited sexual experience, saving Tara was worth lying on the floor with MS, but would it have been worth it if she had to blow him? Ewww!
No wait WHAT????????????? Eric tortured
You could be right.
I think the pic Hime is referring to depicts Bill, with Lorena crouched nearby.
Yes I saw that one from the pre-show.
I thought it was more than likely Bill when I saw the clip. It definitely didn’t look like Eric to me.
Where did you see it and I could be wrong.
can I put the link to the image?
Search for “True Blood my blog”, it’s on the main page. Can’t see if it’s Bill OR Eric, with that damn hair color they look so similar.
Alright, it seems more likely to be Bill. He has sideburns, lol
He looked very tall from that angle.
I just froze the image on my tv. The sideburns on the prostrate figure are enormous. I think it has to be Bill. Why would Lorena do that to Eric? It was Bill who had violent angry sex with her and punched her in the face. I’m even beginning to wonder if the twisted sex was a rape.
i have seen a still of that.
it is definitely not eric.
holy crap…I love that theory renee
Eric has not always stay calm in the books and in the books he had a temper. Pam even mention to Sookie that Eric has to control himself or he won’t become king.
In the books, Eric had anger issues and Pam told Sookie that Eric has to control himself or he would not make as a king.
Eric has a temper and so has Sookie.
Agreed!!
I personally think that that complexity is one of the may beauties of his character…
And I also agree with what Lotus posted before me does in that it has alot to do with Eric’s desire to keep any sense of weakness and/or humanity (as he considers that weakness) at bay. Usually, I find that individuals who choose to keep themselves from experiencing certain emotion (for example crying, showing greif, etc) are less quipped to deal with those emotions when they are plunged into a situation that compels them to bubble to the surface. I think that that’s exactly what’s happening with Eric: because he’s so accustomed to shutting these things out, when he’s forced into a situation where he is compelled to feel them it becomes very dysfunctional
Yeah i agree Eric is a very complex character which is why so many people are interested in him. Plus hes smokin hot.
Thanks MAS for the excellent recap!
About the Sookie/Tara conversation, I can’t help but think that there may be a similar conversation in the future when Tara helps Sookie realize that the happiest time in *her* life was when she was being used and manipulated by Bill Compton. They have more in common than either of them know yet.
Oh, THIS. DEFINITELY.
That’s also where I think Jason’s lecture about the truth hurting will come in. Part of Sookie will just wish that she NEVER found out the truth, and that she could still believe that her relationship with Bill really was everything she THOUGHT it was.
Great point. The truth is going to bite everyone in the ass this season–Jason, Hoyt, Sookie, Bill, QSA, Jessica, Yvetta (I hope), Russell (Eric’s revenge), probably Sam (finding out about his family), & possibly several others. I may be biased, but Eric seems to be the only one who can benefit from the truth. Well, I guess Pam too. She doesn’t really seem the type to hide her dirty laundry
MAS, you are hilarious! Since you and your hubby share a brain, your offspring must or will be marvelous =D
OMG @ teenage pregnancy. Okay guys, I’m officially on the “AB is a genius” train again.
I found it very funny that I had to explain the rune to my mom (she sometimes has too much of a selective perception), even though we live in Germany and I’ve been fed all of this in school in the name of deterrence more times than I can count, and so she must have been. Then again, I probably just have the memory of an elephant, lol.
Can’t wait for next week!
Great review! Learn something new everyday, like the reference to a Lavender Marriage.
Only 1 question pertaining to the old lady. Why didn’t she have any fang marks or blood on her neck after Bill fed on her? Usually he is a messy eater. In the books the vamp can lick the wound and heal it but they haven’t done that on TB!
Yeah, that’s true. I assumed that maybe he chose a less conspicuous place to eat from (femoral artery or what have you) so that she (or anyone else, in the off chance that she DID get visitors) would be less likely to notice it.
I don’t know, though. There could be another reason.
Personally, I think he bit her between the toes. That’s a non-obvious spot druggies use, so it would parallel that, and didn’t someone suggest Bill had syphilis once upon a time? Its believed that foot fetishes arouse as a response to STDs.
Olivia had a band aid on her neck. I agree not “messy” enough for Bill but it was there.
Yep, I couldn’t see it, but my hubby swears he saw a band-aid. I’m sure he was messy enough but just made sure he cleaned up afterward. We saw him post-shower, so he certainly could’ve cleaned her up too.
Girl, this rocks! And props to the hubby for his contributions, too–very insightful.
Excellent review. Kudos MAS!!
Lkc – Maybe TB vamps CAN lick the wound and heal if but most don’t bother because #1 they simply don’t care enough to provide a little healing for something as throwaway as a bloodbag, #2 because a fangbanger would want to wear their bite with pride, or at least be able to uncover and show it to other fangbangers as a badge of honour, or #3 you are Bill Compton who wants the world to know that SUCKIE IS MAAAAAAHN!!!!11!! and are using your fang marks the same way that a cowboy would use a branding iron on cattle – to mark out ownership.
And Sam and Bill… I’ve already posted this over at another blog, but I think that Bill is deliberately influencing Sam through the blood he gave him (which might explain why Bill appeared in Sam’s dream in the same state that he was actually in in real life at that moment). If these dreams unsettle Sam enough to start questioning his sexuality not only does it remove one of Bill’s love rivals from the running but it also keeps Sam in enough emotional turmoil not to pay attention to whatever else Bill is up to. Sam has always been a Bill/vampire doubter and an independant, questioning mind is not something that Bill would want around Sookie.
That sound like St.Bill,would for Sam to be out way .Hope he tells Sookie about his dream
Great recap, MAS!
About the color purple as used in TB – I have a question – why is Tara always wearing a purple blouse? What is TB trying to show us about her character? I’m stumped on that one.
I get the lavender dress – Burlington, VT wedding hints alright for Bill and Sookie.
I believe Yvetta is a spy as well. And the queen and yvetta both wearing furs remind me of wolves, and then for some reason reminds me of Hallow and the vampire blood-addicted witches of Book 4 (which would then lead to eric losing his memory). I suppose both yvetta and the queen could be involved in eric’s amnesia next season. Hmmmm…just pondering.
Regarding Tara wearing purple… I saw an interview with Rutina last year where she stated that purple is her favorite color and that the wardrobe people nicely work it in to Tara’s clothing.
@Obladee: thanks for the answer to my purple confusion.
Great recap MAS!
Great recap, MAS. You raised some interesting points, especially the lavender marriage and the Operation Werwolf stuff.
I can’t help but find Sam’s storyline boring. I can’t figure how his plot will be entwined with the main storylines at the end.
As for the basement scene, we’ve been discussing if it’s a good or an aweful scene even before seeing the episode. My opinion is that it’s NOT supposed to be a sexy scene (as some people pointed out that it’s far from sexy), at least not on Eric’s part. The point was to show how much Eric is detached and unaffected when he’s having sex, like it had become a routine by now. On the other hand, Yvetta seemed to be enjoying the ride very much. The contrast between her, covered in sweat and breathing heavy, and Eric, all cold as an iceberg, like he was NOT having sex at all, was striking for me.
Also, that scene shows on purpose Eric’s coldness to make the contrast between THIS behaviour and the explosion of emotions that Sookie causes in him much more shocking.
Jessica, I believe she did turn the trucker. When she comes back with the chainsaw after her enlighting chit-chat with Pam, she won’t find no trace of him and that will freak the hell out of her.
That’s when Franklyn helps her out by killing the newborn vamp and cutting his head off.
Hime, awesome take on the DOD scene! I agree 100% – that is exactly how I viewed it as well.
oh hey VL, I think I’ve found the videoclip of the kiss that you were talking of the other day! On youtube: True Blood: Original Series Summer Fall 2010 HBO, at 00:5 sec mark, yummyumm
00:56 sec
Yes, you did! I meant to comment on it yesterday on FB when I saw it. I’m glad you finally got to see it!
oohh it’s just beautiful, please don’t let this be a dream!!!! He deserves this kiss!!!!
Totally agree… And i can’t see Eric kissing any old fangbanger like that, though i suspect he pulls the ‘Pretty Women’ rule Never on the mouth!!
I totally agree with you Hime, on the DOD scene. It wasn’t sexy at all for me, well his body was of course, but the sex part was robotic, no passion, no feeling in it. And then you have that little snippet of the E/S kiss, and he’s breathless and panting and so passionate!
Robotic, that’s the word for it. And it was intentional to show Eric in that light.
If Eric had been kissing Yvetta lovingly, that I would find OOC and annoying.
By the way, I agree with this. If/when Eric ever has sex with Sookie, it will be VERY different.
I agree with this. It will be totally different with those two. One of the purposes of the DOD scene was to contrast with what is to come.
Yes, I think we’ll see tiny glimpses of the real Eric this season, but everything will be blown out of the water next season with AE. The contrast will be amazing! That’s one of the reasons that the dream last season was so awesome, because it was such a different side of Eric. He will feel love “only for Sookie,” & with everyone else we will still be seeing his cold side.
The robotic pumping scene reminds me of a porn video. The women look like they’re in a constant state of orgasmic bliss brought on by the marathon pumping efforts of the men, who, in contrast, tend to show no emotion or passion. Being able to pump away for hours seems to be a good thing in the eyes of the (male) porn film makers.
yes, like a porno video, also Eric looked like a giant vibrator with one speed (which reminded me MA), I agree as they said it will be interesting to show then how it will really make love with Sookie. had no other way to show the sex, without being so jackrabbit as someone said in another post. it need not be loving, not kiss her, but he is not supposed to be very good at sex? Being good at sex is to keep an erection for six hours, pumping like a jackhammer?
I mean I now believe that Yvetta is not human, as she has not endure six hours of fucking that speed.
Although it has not found so bad after seeing a few more times
Well if Jason watches porn for his ‘Best in Bon Temp’ technique, it makes sense that Eric would be depicted as a porn star.
Now I’m not sure what Dawn was talking about when she said that Eric was the best ever, though.
Well we didnt get to see when/if Eric engaged in some foreplay and thats supposed to be one of his specialties LOL. And i think vamps in general are supposed to be good lovers just for the simple fact that they have way more experience than any human. Plus major endurance-6 hours.
Agreed. We only saw a small snippet of the sex, so I wouldn’t assume that it was all like that for 6 hours. As easily as Eric gets bored, I think he would be changing things up, lol. Otherwise, what’s the point? He didn’t seem to be particularly enjoying himself. Maybe after that long, he had to tie her up just so she wouldn’t collapse
Do we even really know if he was telling Sookie the truth when he said that? I think he led Sookie to believe that was what he was doing for six hours and did not deny it when she said “doing this?”, but he probably was doing other things there at the club too. I felt like he was definitely trying to smooth over an embarassing situation, and he did a good job of not letting her know he was upset about Bill’s kidnapping too.
I totally agree. I was having a discussion with a few friends on twitter last night about the first ep, and we all agreed that there was no way the were having sex for 6 hours while the bar was open. Eric may have been using Yvetta to fuck the memory of Sookie and Godric away, but He is a smart business man. He wouldn’t ignore his bar for cheap sex. And i think Pam would be more pissed if he had been down there that long. I just think he let Sookie think what she wanted, probably to gauge her feelings on the revelation.
WE think they were down there for maybe a few hours, no more then 2, just due to Yvetta’s physical appearance and Eric’s boredom
I don’t think the scene was meant to be erotic but a rather graphic depiction of Eric’s sense of numbness over the loss of Godric and his own jaded existence. (Contrast that scene with Randi Sue vigorously riding a weeping and emotionally disconnected Jason Stackhouse on the night of Gran’s funeral.)
On a personal note: I like a good bump and grind as much as the next perv but when I heard that they’d been at for six hours all I could think was, “I hope there is forty gallon vat of industrial lube in the DOD.”
Penny, I’m going to need a new laptop for all the water that gets on it while reading your comments! LMAO!
Bwuahahahaha. Girl, you’re not the only one. I’m pretty sure that she must be a supe if she’s hanging in (haha) for 6 hours.
THAT’S what I was thinking could happen, too, Hime! At first, I wasn’t sure, because we got flashes of Franklin Mott holding what I thought was the trucker’s head– but then, I saw a brief “all about the vampires of True Blood” segment, and Mariana Klaveno mentions that, in addition to staking, BEHEADING also kills vampires.
Which got me thinking: Franklin Mott is SO going to play Jessica’s “abortion doctor”–and he’s going to be able to hang that over her for “life” now.
But it may not go that way. I just thought it would be pretty AWESOME if it did.
Holy Cow! That didn’t cross my mind about the trucker, but I really like the way you guys think!
But then again, why did the corpse smell if he was turned?
Yeah, THAT I don’t know. But maybe it actually IS a dead possum…
That’s what I was thinking too. Only corpses do stink. But, what if he becomes a zombie vamp? LOL, sort of an evil and sicker version of Bubba. Guess we’ll see, however…
@Hime: What a great solution to the bubba problem – for alan ball, that is, who did not want to use an elvis impersonator for true blood. A perfect “off-kilter” vampire.
You have great ideas!
haha, it would be funny to watch!
@Hime: well said on all points.
Eric did look as cold as an iceberg. And did you see his look/manner change when sookie arrived? There were emotions all over his face. Instant warm-up.
This was both hilarious and insightful!
I had no clue about the rune stuff so I am glad you explained it, also links to the magazine article the other day where AS said that he shot a scene on wires wearing a nazi uniform so I wonder where that will go!
I can’t wait for your next recap!
Great review and commentary!
Rocking review! I am so going to look forward to Tuesdays!
Love the lavander marriage theory – and I can buy all the closeted aspects of it. When i saw it this time, the first thing I thought of, over my husband lamenting about how aweful the dress is, was “always a bridesmaid, never a bride”. If the complete romantic intention on Bill’s part to make her his bride, you think he’d be swept up in the moment and chosen a white dress, and all the purity/honestly that color implies.
In support of the lavender marriage theory, Steve and Sarah were both wearing lavender in their first appearance on the show.
And Sarah Newlin has a yellow diamond ring.
GAH! Good point AGAIN, Renee!
And we ALL know something’s up with Steve, now don’t we?
Great recap
alot of interesting Theories that i wouldn’t of even thought of. I also agree Yvetta is a spy. Yvetta was sent by the Queen,an probably was the one that planted the bug in Eric’s Office on the Queen’s orders. The Queen has not been to Eric’s Club recently,if i had to guess she rarely leaves the Palace having everything she needs at there. Yvetta an the Queen exchanges a look,she also looked at the Magister,but i think thats so we have to suspect she could be working for the Magister which i dont believe. Yvetta looked like she gave the Magister a dirty look compared to the look she gave the Queen. It looked to me like Yvetta was confused as to why the Queen was there,cuz she’s a spy for the Queen,an i’m sure didn’t understand why the Queen would show up when she’s still undercover. I believe Yvetta is a Witch which is something Vamps probably cant necessarily detect. I believe Ludis an Yvetta are related, an could be Hallow, an Mark Stonebrook in the Books. Yvetta is either Hallow,or working for her,but i bet she will have something to do with Eric’s Amenesia on the Queen’s orders probably.
Also i forgot to mention, i suspect Ludis is related, or in the same coven as Yvetta cuz there both from the same area, both arrived around the same time, an Ludis made a comment about Magic when the Queen was playing Yahtzee last Season.
Well, that’s an interesting point. It’s hardly a coincidence that Ludis is from Latvia and Yvetta from Estonian.
I personally think that Eric’s office was bugged even before Yvetta’s appearance, I could say even during season 1. If it were the case, QSA should know about Eric’s suspects on the “edict” (remember Bill/Eric’s chat in the office after LS was staked)
Lorena coming from Vienna and having the last name Krasiki, which is a town in Russia may tie in with all of this.
Thank you for clearing up Lorena’s last name. I couldn’t quite catch what they were saying.
So you think Ludis may be spying on QSA and Yvette on Eric, both working for RE, possibly through Lorena’s helpful connections?
I thought the speculation that Ludis was sent from RE because of his coloring and lips was amusing, and you know that I think Yvetta is connected to RE. How Lorena fits in, IDK, but she has some kind of relationship with RE or she wouldn’t be at the palace.
I’ve got them both figured as spies for the Magister
Which now thinking about it means that QSA is not long for this world. Hopefully Eric keeps his mouth shut around his new plaything!
There is also Krasicki, Primate of Poland and writer of fables and parables.
I also believe it was bugged from maybe well before the show starts. Who’s to say the Ms batshit crazy QSA didn’t get someone in there to bug the place when it opened, and the vampires came out. I think the Queen found out about LS death as soon as it happened, and probably made a deal with the Magistrate to get Bill off lightly.
I think so too that Bill got off light ,
I had post this all ready ,that Queen help him out
Great recap MAS, that was a blast to read. You’re too funny.
On Bill eating Olivia, i feel like this is the obvious water-cooler topic they implanted for the episode (well there were many shock-value items, but this one is the most debatable), designed to give us fits on whether it was a good or bad act or if another vampire wouldn’t have done the same, but I love your point that it demonstrates Bill being in control here as opposed to when it comes to the trunk scene. Now that we’ve seen images of Bill being tortured in RE’s own dungeon, I’m banking on it happening. Its really a continuation of the Bill eating Olivia debate too, wouldn’t any other vampire in that situation do the same? Hardly, IMO.
I can’t wait for episode 2 and now I can’t wait for MAS’s episode 2 recap, the pressure is on MAS, the pressure is on.
I especially like this part of what Professor Wikipedia has to say about ‘Operation Werewolf”:
Werwolf remained entirely ineffectual as a combat force, however, and in practical terms, its value as propaganda far outweighed its actual achievements.
Excellent and humorous penmanship. We do have talented contributors here.
I’m not going to be able to reply to everyone personally, but I just wanted to thank you all for the kudos and compliments. I really enjoyed writing this, and I’m SO glad you enjoyed reading it… hopefully the next 11 go over just as well!
Anyway, THANK YOU everyone!!!!
Great job MAS! Loved your “lavender marriage” theory. I think you are right on the money on that one. I enjoyed reading your thoughts, you were excellent!
Great recap MAS. Thanyou. It was a lot of work and I look forward to the next 11.
Loved your insightful and humorous review, and I’m looking forward to reading every Tuesday! Your info about the runes was quite interesting. And here all I was wondering why Jessica and Sookie had a perfectly good phone they could have used to call someone (Eric? Pam?) for help but instead they spent their time looking up old symbols. Who cares if some nasty humans/werewolves are lying sprawled out on the ground in a questionable area far from home next to Bill’s totaled, really expensive BMW from which he is missing…we need to research runes, dammit!
LOL! Too true. It’s all very “Scooby Doo” isn’t it?
Lots of fun to relieve the episode through your (witty) eyes, MASpencer! Thanks for sharing your talent with us.
Oops. That was supposed to be “relive the episode”!
Did ya’ll notice that Eric looked quite blonde in some of his scenes? Not highlighted-blonde, but natural blonde darkened by grease/pomade. Take a look at this cap:
http://black-celebration.net/caps/displayimage.php?pid=936756&fullsize=1
i did notice that actually… kind of honey blonde.
Same here, i thought it was very curious, but it still doesn’t give us any reason for the cut!! ARGH!! i want season 2 hair back lol
God I love those eyes!!! And yes this is AS natural haircolor.
Me too Freyja, AS has such beautiful eyes!
Did ya’ll notice that Eric’s hair looked quite blonde in some of his scenes? Not highlighted-blonde, but natural blonde darkened by grease/pomade.
(I posted a link to a screencap in a previous comment awaiting moderation, but feel free to delete it VL)
OMG, Sunny I was just about to post that, but on your blog (I didn’t want to make waves. lol). I thought so too, it wasn’t quite as dark as I imagined.
Yep, the blonde is even apparent in the cap of Eric and QSA posted in my recap.
I’m not sure what to think, because obviously Alex’s hair has been very dark the last few months, even in sunlight.
Not sure who said it but- about Sam’s storyline tying into the main story. My theory is that Sam’s real parents who are “bad people” were somehow invloved with the weres in the past. They have some ties to the evil bikers.
I thought this too, given how everything here seems to be inter-related.
Awesome recap Mas!!! Sooo looking forward to reading your posts ever week!
Oh, I had so much fun reading this!! I’ve read a few recaps (because I’m obsessed) and yours is by far the best/most entertaining!
I hope some of your conspiracy theories are right – It would add some great spice to the show!
You know, thinking about it, the IRS should not be breathing down Queen SophieAnn’s neck, the vampires have only been out of the coffin, what 2 years? Most businesses are given a 3 year lee-way period to show profit, before they even get sniffed around for an audit, the IRS doesn’t move that fast. Even if they created a branch of the IRS for vampire affairs, which in of itself means it would take longer, there is no way they discovered her shady dealings that quickly. US bureaucracy is slow as snails.
Someone narc’ed out SophieAnn to the IRS. And that someone has something to do with the shadow government (and the Magister) I’m betting. Having both governments come after her, they are trying to pop her like a zit.
That’s an important point. The Queen’s “drug money” wouldn’t be reportable income anyway, so there’s definitely something OFF about that statement.
Either you’re right, and someone is tattling on her, or it’s all a big ruse. In other words, Sophie-Anne DOESN’T need money… that’s just the story she’s feeding to Eric.
Most characters usually have multiple motivations for their actions. IMO money is the one SA is willing to cop to.
Yeah, there is definitely something fishy here. What would the IRS care about cash? They’d only want to tax her on it, which is a bad thing for QSA. They most likely want her to prove how she got her money,.. what she said to Eric is nonsensical.
So is the IRS bit a lie or the reason she needs money a lie? I’d prefer to think the IRS is after her, the best lies are based on some truth, but the reason for the money and the V-selling has to do with something else and beyond just setting up Eric as the fall guy, IMO. The Queen seems desperate, so I think she does need money. I wonder if she is in debt to some loan sharks who want to collect, and that they are responsible for putting her in power, like lobbyists.
Hey what did you guys think when Eric said something like this to the magister: “The queen and I have an arrangement but she allows me to pursue other interests”. I thought that their arrangement was that Eric control his area and be profitable and his profit would trickle up to the queen, so his other interests (i.e. Fangtasia, stocks) would help support her, this statement makes me think that that scenario is secondary to some other arrangement not known to us. Could he have been referring to his arrangement of Dealing V? And why make such a strange statement in front of the Magister is it possible that he wants suspicion cast on his relationship with the Queen? [image]
I didn’t do a good job of explaining this I hope somebody understands.
I understand Camp, but the quote you mention was Eric’s spoken autobiography contained in the ‘Pre-show’. He didn’t say this to the magister. And yes, I guess it does refer to the V-selling, which I think he means that QSA doesn’t bother him or interfere with his other interests as long as the money keeps flowing.
Hi Sunny I didn’t relise that that quote was in the pre-show, I will have to watch again, thanks for pointing that out.
MAS- Your humorous and insightful recap has all the addictive qualities of vampire blood and I’m looking forward to getting my weekly fix.
I’m on board with your lavender theory. What’s interesting about the Sam/Bill dream sequence is how it contrasts with the ones that Sookie had. Prior to having Bill’s blood, Sookie’s subconscious warned her about Bill’s real motivations. In that dream, she comes to him and the night and begins to disrobe saying, “I never thought we’d be having sex…at least not this soon.” To which, Bill bares his fangs and sneers, “Who said anything about sex?” After the blood exchange, she dreams of rushing to Bill’s home and declaring that she believes he’s the man she’s meant to have her first sexual experience with. In both cases, she is the initiator of these late night booty calls. However in Sam’s dream, Bill is the seducer (and we know from the fact that Sam is aware that Bill is dirty, shirtless, and in need of help the dreams aren’t merely the subconscious projections of the dreamer.)
Every time that vamps (such as Malcom and the Queen who presumably know Bill’s tastes) have offered Bill a human to feed upon, they have offered him males. Even in the Chicago scene in which Bill and Lorena sadistically torture and murder the swinger couple, it was obvious that they been “entertaining” the couple separately in different rooms. Bill bursts in with Sydney (both of whom are in a state of undress wearing undershirts and boxer shorts.) There is also the sexual tension(albeit, one sided) that Bill seems to have for Eric ( “I don’t enjoy touching you.” Methinks the vamp doth protesteth too much.)
However, I don’t believe that Bill is “gay.” While vampires may somewhat retain their human sexual orientation, designations such as gay, bi, or straight simply don’t apply. Vampires are ominisexual creatures of appetite, and as such they are more interested in having their needs for sex and blood met. (Much in the same way humans aren’t concerned whether a steak comes from a female cow or a male steer.) As we’ve seen with Pam and QSA, most vampires are quite comfortable with the flexibility of their nature. Bill, on the other hand, seems caught up in self-loathing shame spiral regarding his homoerotic desires. Eddie wisely said that, “It’s a rare man who knows himself.” Bill refuses to accept the truth about himself because he’s too emotionally invested his quaint mid-Victorian Southern Gentleman facade.
Wow penny that was a really cool post. I didn’t even notice that tidbit about Bill coming in with the fat guy and the fact they were both wearing boxers. There are definitly several homoerotic references to Bill in TB. I am always amazed at the great minds that post here.
You also have Bill’s completely unwarranted and overblown reaction to Ludis’ offer of sex. Bill indignantly spat out, “That will NOT be necessary!” as if the idea offended and repulsed him. Seriously, Bill behaved like a virginal Sunday School teacher who’d accidentally stumbled into an orgy. Make no mistake, Bill’s no babe in the woods…remember how Malcom, Diane,and Liam reminisced about the “good times” they used to share with Bill Compton?
Good times with those vampires would be sex with the vampires and draining people.
It’s looks like Bill has a thing for the guys.
Penny, I could not agree with you more, though I still think it’s unclear how far we should be taking this metaphor. And the reason I say that is that, like you mention, it’s kind of impossible for a vampire to be “gay.” It is “their nature” to be all things to all people, if you will.
However, I would imagine that despite all the sexual adventurousness that accompanies everlasting life, one still retains the same general preferences with respect to the gender of one’s partners. Which may explain why, as you point out, everyone who knows Bill has always offered him a boy.
I’d say that if this IS a literal allusion, then the idea is that Bill was a closet case in his HUMAN life, when things like that would actually MATTER. One could argue that the reason he turned down Lorena’s advances WASN’T because he was so morally upright– as ANY sex-starved soldier, even the the MOST morally upright ones, would be tempted by an offer like that– but because he just wasn’t interested in having sex with a WOMAN.
So how do you explain his enthusiastic sexual escapades with Sookie then? Well, now that he’s a vampire, blood and sex are inextricably linked. And assuming she’s a fairy with gourmet blood, I can’t imagine he’d have a hard time getting it up for that, even if she DOESN’T have the naughty bits he’s looking for.
Anyway, all this ISN’T to say that Bill Compton was gay in his human life. I just wouldn’t be ESPECIALLY surprised if he WAS. It would also speak to his basic tendencies to “closet” himself– while demonstrating perfectly Eddie’s claim that “we are what we were before we were turned.”
Bill hated his “sinful” nature in his human life… and his vampire life would merely be a hyperbolic extension of that sentiment.
Bill was not interested in Sookie until he started drinking her blood. Bill did not want her until he started to drink her blood.
The Queen advice Eric not to drink her blood because she did not want to love sick vampires. The Queen knew that Bill was obsessive with Sookie because he drank her blood. Eric wants Sookie and he never drank her blood.
Yeah and thats a really important distinction. Eric is into Sookie without having her intoxicating blood.
MAS-
Absolutely.
Vampires retain..let’s call it the “romantic orientation” from their human lives but they’re a bit more open minded and adventurous in meeting their needs for sex and blood. To be sure, after several hundred years…insert tab “A” into slot “B” style sex is bound to get a little stale. Furthermore, in their long immortal lives they’ve seen how human social conventions vary from culture to culture and through out time so they find human codes of sexual morality rather meaningless.
In attempting to their cravings, I’m sure that opportunity, circumstance, and the availability of the preferred object of gratification factors in.
), I also think that could also be said about other vampires we know and love (again, none of which makes them gay or bisexual.)
I had NO doubt that in some point in Bill’s *colorful* past he has had sex with men. At the risk of being staked (lol
The difference between Bill and the other vamps is that they have made peace with their omnisexual vampiric nature…while he’s caught up in the sort of cycle of leads to hypocritically being “on the down low.”
*while he’s caught up in the sort of cycle leads that hypocritically being “on the down low.”
Pardon the typo.
Bill, on the down low? LOL!
This has gone SOOO Brokeback… AND I LOVE IT.
“I wish I knew how to quit you, Sam Merlott!”
LOLZ. There’s actually a BAM video out there somewhere, set to the Brokeback theme… I need to go find that shit.
Brokeback you say? Making allusions to Luke now, are we? Steve and Luke’s latent attraction to Jason mirrors Bill’s to Eric. Your comments about human Bill just not being into sex with Lorena might shed some light on Luke’s chastity. It’s easy to turn down something that’s not all that desirable in the first place, especially when you’re a master at denying yourself what you really want.
MAS, awesome work. I love your take on this episode. Tonight I am planning on re-watching while some of your theories take a swim around in my brain!
It hadn’t dawned on me that Jessica may have turned the trucker, but I think you’re spot on there. I’m also loving the lavender wedding correlations, the Yvetta/Ludis connection, your thoughts on Bill’s sweet li’l geriatric Slurpee, and last but not least….the info on the WWII German Commando “Werwolf ” force.
I can’t wait to see how the rest of this season plays out, and I am just as psyched to be able to read your insightful commentaries each week. Thank you!
Absolutely loved the recap. Lots of theories out there I hadn’t thought about. I like the episode overall but I’m still waiting to see what happens next before I fall back in love with it. Last season left me wanting and this season is off to a good start. I’d love to know what Bill did to Cooter considering he isn’t dead and we see him later on in the show (from clips). Are the weres all dead in the car or just incapacitated for the moment and healing? Shifter and weres are supposed to be fast healers but that could be different in the show. I don’t get how Bill got away unless he just pushed the two guys out the back door. Just didn’t seem plausible that he was so weak and near death but able to get away from four weres.
Tara is just a mess. Not sure I’m interested in anything that happens with her this season. I thought her calling for her mother was odd. They didn’t end things on a well note at all so why bother with her now? Was she simply looking for comfort and knew that her mother would give it to her no matter what?
Sookie walking in on Eric with little to no reaction at all is so not realistic. Granted she kept her eyes away from Yvetta, or at least tried to look off to the side so as not to stare at her. But Eric in all his glory, stands right in front of her and she’s one track mind about Bill? I’m not saying she should have stared and ran off but she’s sweet, virginal (used to be a few weeks ago anyway) Sookie who couldn’t stand to hear Laffy and the girls at Merlotte’s talking about “pussy” but she can stand in front of a naked vamp who she walked in on having sex with no problems at all? That does say something about obsession and blood intake. She has to be so close to being a Renfield with all of Bill’s blood she’s ingested.
Sam’s dream is peculiar. Bill looked exactly as he appears when he shows up at Olivia’s house. Was it possible that he was projecting into Sam’s dream to get him to think about him? He tried calling Jessica (to no avail) so maybe it was another way to get someone else to think about him to do whatever. Sookie was out running around looking for him, which I’m sure he could feel so he’d have to reach out to anyone else who’s had his blood.
The most interestiing thing I thought about the ep was Yvetta looking as if she wouldn’t have to leave the bar when the Queen ordered everyone else out. Why would she feel obliged to stay when everyone else had to leave? Why did the Queen pick her out of everyone else there? What really would have come out of the conversation had she remained? And again, SA gets the drop on Eric who’s at least 500 years older than her? Does she have extra strength or something because she’s a monarch? I thought that odd. Of course, he could have been caught off guard. I think the whole time he was talking with the magister he looked shaken up and off his game. I could tell he was lying as I’m sure the magister did. Ooh, and re: SA’a money issues, could they be related to Katrina and have nothing to do with the IRS. Since in the books after Katrina she’s poor but the series started out just after Katrina hit so in the time since we’ve seen anything of SA she could have been scrambling to get things back in order. Selling V would be the quickest way to gain revenue.
I love Jessica and her sweet innocence. She truly knows nothing which just goes to show how crappy a maker Bill is. He’s told her what he thinks is important (don’t drink from humans) and that’s it. But, I have to wonder what wisdom was imparted to her when she was with Eric and Pam for that short time. It seems they didn’t teach her much about feeding either if Jessica is asking Pam how do you know when to stop before killing someone. I’m looking forward to the next episode for sure.
I think Sookie’s reaction to Eric has to be compared to when she walked in on the orgy at Bill’s. She had more of a visible reaction to Eric than Jeanelle (?) performing fellatio on Liam.
I thought she was pretty freaked out by the orgy at Bill’s place. And that too was before she had sex. She was visibly uncomfortable and I felt for her then. In Fangtasia she just seemed inconvenienced and as if she wanted Eric’s full attention and didn’t notice what else was going on in the room. I could have read her wrong. Maybe I’ll watch it again to see her reaction. I’m sure everyone who watched it had more of a reaction than she did. She stopped herself from approaching Eric but she just didn’t seem bothered by it. And maybe that just goes to show how she’s seen so much with the Mary Ann crap that nothing would bother her now. LOL. You’ve seen one orgy, you’ve seen them all.
Im guessing that when Jessica was with Eric and Pam they told her when to stop feeding, as in get off him, rather than telling her about the slowing heartbeat. Maybe the fed together on the same person LOL.
Sookies reaction wasnt that far off base i thought. She screams “Holy S” instead of saying holy shit which i thought was funny because shes been saying fuck nonstop lately. But she looked a little shocked but like she was trying to act like she wasnt. And i noticed AT LEAST 3 times she glanced at Erics naked bod, so its not like she didnt sneak a peek.
Sounded to me too like Sookie screamed “Holy S” there as well and it is funny now that you mention it.
Especially since the one of the other more prominent times that Sookie censors her language was in front of Eric. “You big lying A-hole!” (and I just can’t type that without saying I HATE that scene!)
There may have been more times where she censored herself but I can’t remember them, that’s probably due to the fact that I don’t watch scenes that don’t have Eric or Pam in them over and over and over.
Me too. Ive already watched Eric and Pams scenes from the premiere several times. They never get old to me dont know why LOL.
Ellemoe-it’s not that QSA is physically stronger than Eric but he just takes it because she does have more power politically since she is his Queen and he owes her loyalty. He never tries to fight her back so that shows he takes it. She is 500 years old and of course will be strong but she is not attacking someone who is fighting back so that doesnt show who is physically more powerful between the two. He just has to obey.
I get that Dee, considering Bill hit Eric too and he just took it. I just find it odd that she’s able to overpower him. Not saying he should smack her back but that it would prove a little more difficult for her to knock him over or slam him into a wall post.
yeah i think he basically let her overpower him, instead of using any strenth at all. Im guessing when she jumped him he didnt even try to push back or tense at all, and with her using all her strength she was able to throw him back. And maybe QSA is physically strong, in spite of her age. I think some vampire have different talents. Did you notice how long her fangs are? Theyre so long they go past her bottom teeth.
Ashley,
I am 99.9% sure that Sookie says “Holy ASS”, when she see’s Eric w/Yvetta, not “Holy S”, which would be weird since she has been dropping the F bomb all over the place. My favorite part of that scene, aside from everything that Pam said, was the look on Eric’s face when he said “Sookie”. That to me was hot, whereas the jackhammering, although impressive, was not (as many other people have said).
I thought she said “Holy F”… I’ll have to give another listen.
That expression was priceless. It was such an oh shit/I am going to kill Pam moment, lol.
Holy ass…lol i thought maybe thats what she said but she actually mumbles sometimes…i dont know if they tell her to do that or what…i thought that was weird shed say holy S cause i noticed all the F bombs too.
yeah i LOVED that part, which is why that DOD scene is actually my favorite ERic scene of episode 1, who would have thought LOL. His face was priceless. He was pissed/maybe even shocked that Sookie saw him. He DID NOT want her to see that. I loved it. And i liked their conversation after she saw him, where he told her he wanted what was Bills, and she was speechless for a second, and glanced down then left in a huff. Sookie cracks me up pretending not to want to look.
Haha, you are SPOT ON Ashley! The whole scene really is very telling, he was probably trying to get Sookie off of his mind, and then she shows up and catches him in the act. And, then the look on his face when he says “Sookie” is priceless. Sookie cracked me up too!
I loved Sookie in that scene too, Robin. I love it when they’re on screen together – they have such amazing chemistry. I also love that he tends to get her all riled up. lol
The closed captioning on my tv has it ‘Holy S.’ That’s what I’m hearing pretty clearly. With a Southern accent those sounds are distinct.
That’s what I thought she said too Renee.
But he so does have a holy ass. ;~)
Oh she is still 500 years old and makes her strong, if she throws someone against the wall when they don’t stop her she will be able to do it. Overpowering someone means the other person would have to put up a struggle and he doesn’t. Her strength is enough to push him up against the wall. He is strong but if he is not fighting back then a vamp that is younger would be able to push him.
Have you seen the new BabyVamp Jessica video on HBO? She’s talking about how she knows nothing about being a vampire because her maker is never around to teach her anything. Like crying blood tears, and everything healing, everything! And she talks about how she is very lonely… and that is understandable, Bill doesn’t allow her to mingle because she’s so dangerous!
This video is suppose to have been recorded the night after Bills kidnapping, because she talks about the shiver that she experianced the night before. She is reaching out for help on the internet, and clearly panicing about the trucker body!!! Come on Bill, way to go!!!!!!
I’m sure some (you know who) would excuse him, but how can you really? It’s like Eric said, being a good maker can be really awarding, but how is Jessica suppose to survive if she has no instructor?
Jessica is asking questions to Pam. Sookie is so blind that she has not notice that Bill is not training Jessica how to be a vampire. Sookie really don’t care about nobody but Bill and herself.
Yes for now, Sookie is blind to everything around her as all BL!
I’ve been thinking about this a lot and SVB or VL feel free to remove this post if you want to (its totally off-topic, but just something I’ve been wanting to address) and its JMO but I don’t know if we should say ALL BLs are blind to Bill’s faults. I have saw some BLs that are willing to admit he’s not all that he should be. It perhaps doesn’t take away from the fact that they love Bill which is personally something I just won’t ever be able to understand, but…
I’m not trying to jump on anybody or pick a fight or anything like that so please don’t misunderstand me. I think you’re one of the many brilliant people to be found here Freyja and one of the very best things about this site is that we can all feel free to say what we want to (within reason!) without fear of getting jumped on and this is just me throwing another one of my opinions out there because I don’t have much of a filter (which does get me in trouble sometimes lol) and this is just something that’s been building on my mind for a few weeks now.
I just thought about how much I hate it when BLs and others generalize us ELs as all being rabid and unreasonable to use a few of the nicer terms probably (or one of my pet peeves that we all hate SM cause we hate Bill) but I guess sometimes we tend to do some generalizing ourselves and I include myself in that. I’m not saying there aren’t BLs out there that are like this (I’ve experienced a few of them myself!), but I guess just because there’s always gonna be rotten apples on both sides of the fence doesn’t mean that they’re all rotten. Most of the ELs, especially all my sistas here!
, are not rude or vicious at all (on a normal, unprovoked basis, lol), but I’m sure there are some out there that might be. Yet I’d be willing to fight a buzzsaw if I saw or heard anyone saying something like that about any of our regulars here cause I have tremendous respect not only for our terrific hostess SVB and our wonderful mod VL, but for all the incredibly intelligent ladies and gents around here.
For a long, long time I was very bitter toward any and all BLs. Perhaps that bitterness did come about from the attitudes of some BLs out there, and how I did sometimes feel persecuted on other sites because of being an EL and ended up not even wanting to post there or visit there anymore because of the level of nasty that got thrown at Viking sympathizers. Perhaps some of it also came from my frustration with the show and the sanctifying of Bill while villifying Eric. I love TB, but I’m a bookie first and foremost and while I am trying to learn to enjoy them as two different mediums…well it’s still a learning process for me.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand why people love Bill, especially people that read the books, and I’ll probably always be frustrated at people who got to book 3 and stopped reading and then judge the whole SVM series and the characters off of just those 3 books. In fact BLs will probably just about always frustrate me in general and I’m sure there will be some comments that just make me roll my eyes, but I’m seriously working on scaling back my attitude towards them and taking the attitude of “Oh well, they love Bill, that just means there’s a little bit more of Eric to go around.” Kinda of the same way I treat my friend that doesn’t like chocolate. I think she’s insane but we’re still friends and hey, that just means there’s always more chocolate for me!
That being said, I’ll pretty much always be pro-Eric and anti-Bill when it comes to the characters. I don’t like Bill Compton, the fictional character, and it would take a hell of a lot for me to like him, but I’m going to try not to crucify those people that for some reason do like him. I’ll still defend Eric and the Viking Lovers with all that I got. And if a BL wants to throw nasty comments or pick a unreasonable fight, well just picture me grinning like Eric right here asking “Are you trying to pick a fight?” But if they want to have a reasonable debate, that’s awesome. And if they just want to love their character and let me love mine, that’s awesome too. I’ve just been thinking lately that it’d all be much better if BOTH sides, not just ours, just made it mostly about promoting their own team instead of ripping the other team, unless the rips are done good-naturedly and in a clearly joking manner, which I am definitely not opposed to doing, lol. And I will be definitely giving a fist-pump and a “Boo-yah!” every time I hear ASkars’ ‘Eric’ being referred to as the star of TB or the best thing about TB, lol.
Like I said, this isn’t meant to say anything to anybody personally, nor to attack anyone. Its just something I wanted to get off my chest and well, this is kinda my go-to place to get TB or SVM related stuff off my chest and perhaps it will even help some others cause its made me much happier and less full of anger to start taking this new approach to the BL/EL thing. Once again feel free to delete if ya’ll feel like you need to. I’m sorry for rambling and being off-topic and all the other bad things I’ve done here, lol. I still love all of ya’ll though!
Oh she is not blaming step-daddy Eric lol, I swear Eric gets blamed for everything sometimes. Bill is her maker plain and simple and is responsible for learning these things. Maybe if he taught her things she would know when he was “calling” her.
Bill was so busy having sex with Sookie.
I think it is amusing that Alan Ball has pointed out in interviews that the Bill character is not fulfilling his obligations and that Bill’s Babes are just “not picking up what he’s putting down.”
The Sookie character is billblind but the fall is coming this season and I will rejoice when it does. I wouldn’t have said this last year but even though I have little faith in AB where the Eric charater is concerned I do think he will be just as bad to the Bill charater. Something is coming that for Bill there will be no redemption. Then again there will always be the Billstruck who would excuse him even if he made the neonatal unit his personal buffet.
Hah I didn’t know AB said that. Well there’s hope after all
“even if he made the neonatal unit his personal buffet” LMAO…yeah too true too true. That is hilarious that Alan Ball said that.
He only said the part about Bill not fulfilling his obligations with Jessica. I added the other comment. Sorry if it sounded like AB said the picking up quote, He did not. I should have worded this better,
I’t a kind off topic but i’ve just found some new pics about Bill and Lorena, Eric and Hadley and a bloody tortured Eric with a woman that seems Deebbie which scared me to death couse i really hope they didn’t give Eric what in the books was Bill’s…
i tell you this just in case you wants to make a post or something like that…i’n not posting any link here.
are these on twitter?
this i gotta see
Woah. Where did you find them, Mony? Is it a specific site?
i’ve posted on facebook on True Blood Italy, or Twitter Trueblooditalia or even on Sookieverse on Facebook.
But mayve we should wait to comment here….it’s a kind of off topic….
trufax, staying On Topic ftw
You’re right, Mony. Thanks.
ah true ok let’s stay on topic. AHhhh do I even want to know anyways maybe no more spoilers would be better lol. But once I know they are out there I can’t help myself but I’ll try to stay away. Ok sorry for going OT
Someone alerted me to these yesterday…I wasn’t going to make a new post about them but if people really want to see and discuss them I will.
I feel like I have spoiler fatigue, and I think alot of people are feeling a bit the same way?
Yeah I really don’t want to be spoiled anymore, I want something to be surprise on the show
I’m definitely feeling the spoiler fatigue, lol. I feel like I might have enjoyed the 1st epi a lot more if I hadn’t been so immersed with spoilers beforehand.
I don’t particularly mind spoiler stuff but JMO but I wonder if perhaps when we do have future epi spoiler stuff, we could preface it with a SPOILER headline just for those that are now wanting to avoid spoilers for the episodes?
I guess I could put it under a cut?
I’ve always been a total spoiler whore, and kind of figured that anyone hanging out here on a regular basis is the same. Which is why I never bothered with spoiler warnings, really.
But even I’m starting to feel like enough already. And you guys haven’t even seen the motley assortment of bits that somehow randomly arrive in my inbox that I CAN’T post. eep.
I thought the spoilers were bad before DITF came out but this is just insane.
I’m like a moth to a flame with spoilers…. you post them, I’ll read them.
Just can’t seem to help myself!
I think the whole attitude about spoilers is a recent development, or at least it seems that way. Really, I only noticed people making comments about the spoilers since the first episode aired. But you are correct, although it is very fun to discuss and speculate about the upcoming season based on what we see in pictures and trailers, it does take away from watching the episodes when you have figured out what is going to happen ahead of time.
Yeah I think a whole lot of us spoiled ourselves silly for the first episode and thus spoiled the episode for ourselves a little bit. So it’s a very recent development for me.
I have always loved spoilers too, but it just seems like there have been too many thus far for TB. A few juicy ones are good, but I was not surprised by much of anything on the first episode. I think I might have found Arlene’s “I’m preggo” scene, the Bill/Sam dream scene (cause I saw the face of someone who didn’t know it was a dream and it was freaking priceless!), and quite a few other things more enjoyable if I hadn’t have spoiled myself, which was totally my own fault.
For me, just something that lets me know that it’s a spoiler for future episodes will be enough for me to know to avert my eyes!
I was all over the spoilers but I agree that since the first ep, many of us now wonder if we want to know more since we knew ahead of time of almost everything we saw on the show. But damn I can’t help and wonder about this Eric and Hadley scene lol.
{I feel like I have spoiler fatigue, and I think alot of people are feeling a bit the same way?}
I feel the same way. I think it was fun before the eps aired but now that they’re on, I’d rather just analyze and speculate on what I see rather than go off spoilers for future eps. It’s hard because I can’t control myself (lol) but I’m really trying to be good and stay away from them as much as possible. I really want to be surprised and “experience” the eps while I’m watching them.
Me too! I’m definitely worn out and overloaded with all of the TB stuff that’s been thrown at us over the last couple of weeks, but if spoilers for the second half of the season fell in my lap I wouldn’t be able to resist because I’m just dying to know how it will all play out!
I’m so proud of myself! I managed to check the recent spoiler post to make sure all was well here in SVB land without looking at the photo or delving too deeply into the comments. Woot Woot! No more spoilers for me!
So you didn’t see the pic of Eric in his tiny red undies at Sookie’ house? Oh okay then..
jk jk, seriously just kidding, unless I’m not?
Sorry VL that was mean of me, and two minutes after I posted that I got spoiled beyond what I wanted to be, karma is such a bitch!
I’m only in the spoiler free zone from now on, lol. No more speculating, either. Nope, nuh uh. No spoilers, not for me, -who am I kidding, this is going to last a day, these things are like crack laced with candy, lol.
Lol, you’re a stronger woman than me VL. I looked at the photo. *shamed face* but I didn’t get involved in reading the speculation! So that’s something at least, lol, or at least that’s what I’m telling myself.
{So you didn’t see the pic of Eric in his tiny red undies at Sookie’ house? Oh okay then.. }
Hahahaha! EVIIIIIIIIIIL!!! I almost had a heart attack! LOL!!!
VPG, I was soooo tempted! I don’t know how long I will last but I’m going to try!
I was not going to get in to spoilers, I was determent to be strong…. it lasted 5 minutes
I looked at the pictures and read some theories but now I’m overlooking them (the theories).
I didn’t want to see it though, but now it just runs in my mind endlessly LOL
But I got a real big spoiler today, that I didn’t want to get. I accidentally ran into a spoiler containing a conversation between E/S in ep. 2. It was quite funny
Was he wearing the blue sweater? Wonder if its also connected to the scene of Eric with hadley and QSA in birdcage, he is wearing blue sweater on there.
IMO the bloody tortured man laying on the floor is Bill. He is wearing the same boots and pants he wore when he attacked Olivia and the sideburns are too long to be Eric’s.
Back on topic
My adult son just watched S3E1 and called to ask me if AB is trying to lose his straight male audience? He stated his friends and he felt making Sam have Bill dreams or Eric do a man were going too far. He likes Lafayette being gay but thinks straight men should be left straight. I wish more men would weigh in.
MAS- excellent post. i laughed, i cried, i hurled
i made one of my own, meant to be 100% notserious, but it’s hidden away on my livejournal. which btw, if anyone has, we should be buddies or something.
also, for some reason i was very concerned about eric’s lack of shoes in the DoD. later on he has them, but srsly guy, EWWWW.
Hello, I am new to the whole fan blogging thing, but I have really enjoyed reading this site over the past couple of weeks and I thought MAS’s recap was hilarious and really dead on. Just some random thoughts/observations: I am pretty sure that Bill gave Coot his “glamour” stare there in the car right around the time Coot was taking those gloves off. I also thought I heard a little bit of that “glamouring music” or whatever those sounds are that come in when someone’s being glamoured. I don’t think Yvetta was actually tied up, I think she was holding onto those looped ropes (not that it really matters). I totally think she is a spy, but I’m not sure if she’s working for QSA or that Magister or both. I think that QSA was totally talking about herself when she went on about a vampire who would traffic in V being full of self-loathing. She is obviously chafing at the constraints of her vampire existence from her comments to Eric about having to live by the law. I know you guys have already written about her obsession with daylight, etc. Anyway, I agree that Eric is seriously F*cked if he doesn’t figure out how to stop her from throwing him under the bus. I really think she will die this season.
I found Andy and Jason really funny together. I am completely over the Tara/Lettie Mae interaction. I seriously hopes Tara’s storyline become more interested when FM is introduced. I also hope before the entire show ends that she gets to do something besides suffer. I found the Bill/Sam scene surprisingly hot, but also really funny. I think Bill’s fall from grace may be really gruesome. I don’t loathe Bill, and I really like SM, but I think that the twisted sex scene that have been hinting about is going to be between Bill and Lorena and that it will be really bloody and brutal.
I agree with all of MAS’s points about the foreshadowing. The lavender marriage idea is intriguing. I am excited for the rest of the season. Thanks for taking the time to do the recap!!
Welcome and great point Jayetea-now I have to pay attention to the scene with Bill in the car and if they play the music. I think it really is the only explanation.
MAS, I love your recaps! I’m so happy SVB gave you this job and cannot wait to read you every Tuesday! There is so much here to consider, so I want to give a quick shout-out to the lavender marriage theory, the werewolf storyline (AMAZING!), and the Estonia/Latvia connection.
I don’t believe Eric had any idea about the dress/marriage proposal, which makes me wonder how Mr. Rueben knew Bill was going to be at the restaurant and was obviously not following him there since he arrived too late to snatch him out of his seat like a redheaded stepchild. Perhaps they were spying on Bill earlier, or maybe Eric heard arrangements being made by QSA? This is going to bug me until we get an answer! Maybe Mr. Rueben is some kind of tracker who can find vamps with a sense of smell, lol.
Also, I think the first time Eric sees Sookie’s ring is in the DOD when he gives her the once over. The way his eyes fall downward and then flick back quickly makes it seem he’s noticing the ring, and since she’s standing there with the backs of her hands facing outwards as she holds her purse, this isn’t outside the realm of possibility. Plus, he must know something is up with the fancy dinner, the fancy dress, etc … Eric is no dummy, and while I don’t believe he knows the full extent of Bill’s involvement with the Queen, he must be suspicious and forming his own opinions about the situation. Throw in a sudden fine dining experience and a pastel dress with fancy shoes, and you have to ask yourself how Eric wouldn’t take note of the ring.
MAS…This recap was wonderful!! I can’t wait to read your future posts! I was reading it at work and my boss kept asking my what I was laughing about.
Lavender Marriage? This is not an expression I have heard before, but yep, you nailed it! I noticed on the S2 blu ray that there were two commentaries for the last episode. One was the director and writer and the other was with AP and MF. MF complimented AP how beautiful she looked in the dress and asked her about the color choice. AP said that the costume designer and she had chosen the color because is wasn’t a color they had used for her character yet. AP said they were looking for a style and color that would be Elizabeth Taylor-ish. At the time I thought this was off-the-wall. Thank you for turning the lights on. I learn so much from all of you.
Speaking of lavender marriages….Maxine’s oddly off-topic reference to the Elizabeth Taylor film “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” (as the police haul away Dawn’s body) certainly makes sense in light of the later revelations about her husband.
Oh, yes! Great memory on you, penny. Wow, I love this idea of a sham marriage and the deeper lesson about what it means to conceal your true nature out of fear.
Ho, ho! I found the dress and the bag on ET herself. I uploaded photos to my photobucket account which is linked on the Find Me page of my blog.
Also there is also an image of Liza in Cabaret. Take a gander then compare it to Yvetta’s costume with her black choker, garters, and stockings. The video for the “Mein Herr” number is on my You Tube channel (also on Find Me). It is filmed very similar to the way Yvetta’s dance routine was with a focus on the butt and thighs. Liza even does some pole dancing near the end.
I think the allusions to Cabaret are foreshadowing the Nazi plotline. It starts next week apparently with the wolf turning into a woman. Wonder whose memory that’s going to be.
I think it’s Eric’s flashback. In one of the more recent S3 promos, there’s a shot of Eric sitting alone at a table in Fangtasia and the camera does that fast zoom into one of his eyes that the show often does to initiate the flashbacks. He’s wearing the same outfit from the QSA and Magister encounter so it appears to be from the next episode. Eric and Godric are supposed to be in the flashback, so it makes sense it would be Eric’s memory. I bet that it is right after Sookie comes and tells him about the rune and they discuss werewolves.
Ah, that makes sense.
Yup, it has to go down like that because flashback is ep 2 and I figured that once Sookie tells him about operation werwolf, that is when we’ll see his flashback. I’m so excited about that whole scene, his conversation with Sookie where he even surprises himself and then flashback. Not to mention Eric at Sookie’s house and them burying the were. Sunday will be a great episode for us Eric lovers.
Episode 2 is going to be great, Dee. Though I think the burying the were happens in epi 3. It’s likely the were scene in Sookie’s house will be our cliffhanger for next Sunday.
The funny thing about that: Elizabeth Taylor is known for her “lavender” eyes. Which of course reminds me of… QUINN.
And you’re totally right– the dress is much like her (I assume famous, because it seems they even made a Barbie doll of it) lavender chiffon Academy Awards dress.
Hardeharhar. Can I just say how much I LOVE that she’s featured oh-so prominently in that Twilight Zone wedding party (with the conspicuously LAVENDER backdrop) above?
LOL!
Right Elizabeth Taylor, Vivian Leigh, and Quinn. LOL! What is it about that violet eyed gene that correlates with a life that’s one big hot mess?
LOL!
Really, though, this being the case, I suppose it’s always possible that they simply wanted to convey the “unlucky in love” message. But really, why in the world would ANYONE buy an ELIZABETH TAYLOR knock-off dress for a woman about to be PROPOSED to????
Although it’s even funnier now when you remember how the delivery girl said that Bill must have good taste. CORRECTION: Bill has very GAY taste. (Assuming he really DID pick the dress out. Dum-dum-DUM! If someone else bought it, they’ve certainly got a delightfully nasty sense of humor.)
Either way, if you’re trying to push the concept of “lavender” on your audience, Elizabeth Taylor references are a surefire way to do it.
CH loves Gone With The Wind and making Quinn eyes violet would make sense.
You have got to be kidding me…Bill thinks he and Sookie are the equivalent of Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton’s epic love??? Maybe Bill did pick the dress out himself. Get aload of the bangs on Richard Burton!!!
Well, Bill’s got the sideburns, and Sookie’s got the suitors.
BUT… I don’t get the Richard Burton/Liz Taylor vibe from Bill and Sookie AT ALL. If they had THAT je ne sais quoi going on, they’d be a LOT more interesting to watch.
Relationships like that are INCENDIARY. Seems to me that whenever Sookie and Bill “fight” (which, honestly, we didn’t see much of in Season 2 outside of the premiere– and as Bill noted, even that wasn’t really a proper FIGHT) it usually plays out with Sookie bitching at him for lying, and him shamefacing her back into bed with him.
Although the fact remains that it’s an iconic example of an IMPOSSIBLE couple. So I’ll give the comparison that.
And I’d be totally remiss if I didn’t mention how much the themes of this season recall those of “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?” Which is hardly an exercise in true and abiding love– much less honesty.
Just sayin’.
OMG, MAS! I thought I was the only person on the planet to connect TB to WAoVW. I made notes about it last season and then shelved the post I was planning to write because I thought it was too obscure. I completely missed the relation to the wolves in s3. ROTFL! How could I possibly do that???
Here is a hodgepodge of some of the notes I made and new thoughts.
Most important is the theme of reality vs. illusion. Edward Albee said that the song, “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?” means “Who is afraid to live without illusion?” (Cue Jason and Hoyt’s 3.1 conversation.)
Another is nature vs. nurture (history department vs. the biology department) which we’ve all talked about in relation to TB.
IMO George and Martha are the template for Bill and Lorena.
The title of the first act is “Fun and Games.” That in itself is deceptive, for the games that George and Martha play with their guests are not the expected party games. Rather, their games of Humiliate the Host, Get the Guests, and Hump the Hostess which involves the characters’ deepest emotions. George’s characterization of these emotionally destructive activities as games and assumption of the role of ring master reveals that all the events of the evening are part of a power struggle between him and Martha, in which one of them intends to emerge as victor. Martha and George’s verbal banter and one upsmanship is also characteristic of their ongoing game-playing. Years of marriage have turned insults into a finely honed routine. By characterizing these activities of games, Albee does not suggest that they are frivolous or meaningless. Rather, he likens game-playing to war and demonstrates the degree to which George and Martha are committed to destroying each other. George and Martha in fact declare “all out war” on each other. What begins as a game and a diversion escalates over the course of the play until the characters try to destroy each other and themselves.
Other things from WAoVW that we have been discussed in relation to TB
*allusions to Catholic rites and rituals
*a detached cultivated professor type with a mean streak, anger issues, and a penchant for domestic violence
*Walpurgis Night, when the boundaries between the natural and supernatural worlds come down and the witches come out (Yvetta made her TB debut in the Eric and Pam minisode the week of Walpurgis Night.)
*Is George the boy in his book who “killed his mother and his father”? Will Bill kill Lorena? Did he kill his father?
*Exorcisms, literal and figurative
*Taylor and Burton = Bill & Lorena but Bill is trying to put Sookie in that role because as much as Burton, George, and Bill hated Liz, Martha, and Lorena, they also loved.
*George + Martha = Bill + Lorena
Nick + Honey = Eric + Sookie AND Pam
One meaning of Sookie is sugar, and Pam means honey. I think it’s both because Eric and Pam’s relationship seems to be being held up as a healthier model for life long love than Lorena and Bill’s, but Nick + Honey are still young and their love untested like Eric and Sookie’s.
*Martha’s seduction of Nick in George’s presence = Bill’s seduction of Sookie in Eric’s presence.
*The asylum. Look for metaphorical meanings in TB as well as the one Laffy’s mother is in.
*The baby that may or may not have been real and may or may not have been aborted. Hank is raising lots of questions, but I’m beginning to doubt we’ll have many answers.
*Martha and George argue about whether the moon is up or down (Taming of the Shrew reference, which is another Taylor Burton connection)
*Their games of Humiliate the Host, Get the Guests, and Hump the Hostess involves the characters’ deepest emotions. We know that Eric and Talbot will be playing Hump the Host. I imagine we’ll see the other games depicted, too.
* The Christian allegory which is twisted in WAoVW is also present in TB. It remains to be seen how twisted AB make it. Martha refers to her (imaginary) son as a “poor lamb,” making him a Christ symbol. George’s attempt to kill the “son” and thus exorcise illusion from his marriage. The killing of the “lamb” can also be seen as a sacrifice necessary to save George and Martha’s marriage. (Could Lorena and Bill attack Sookie for the same reason?) George calls the proceedings “an Easter pageant,” referencing the day the Lamb of God was sacrificed to save the world, and the scene even takes place early on a Sunday morning.
*The play uses the Christian calendar like the way I think TB is.
-Yvetta was introduced on Walpugis Night
-The Day 2 countdown, also the day of the Feast of the Sacred Heart, included an image of Lettie May next to the image of the Sacred Heart
-Sookie meeting Godric, ingesting blood for the first time, and Godric’s death have correspond to Passover and the Easter Vigil.
Imagine my surprise when I took my newest Vanity Fair magazine out of the plastic wrap, ET herself staring back at me on the cover. What an article. The first page of the article shows ET in the Sookie dress. ET and RB had what can only be described as a epic love affair. ET had decided to share the love letters RB had written to her from the time they acted in Cleopatra. His letters profess undying love and his inability to live without her. Sound familiar?
Oh dear god I think I might barf.
ROTFL! I can see Bill and Lorena being compared to them. It seems to me that Bill wants Sookie to fit in that ET role, but she just doesn’t.
Seroiusly, right? But how ironic that RB had a daughter who was diagnosed with a psychological disorder named Jessica. And that many who knew RB thought he had entered into a relationship with ET with impure motives but found himself to be “bewitched” by her. To sum up the letters he wrote her when they were divorced, he pretty much just he loved her and wanted her back in his bed…Sounding more familiar yet?
Wow! I think I’ll have to pick up this issue of VF. Their story does sound very familiar. The stuff about his daughter is just wild. Well, now we know where babyvamp came from. LOL! This is not a coincidence, any more than the connection to Virginia Wolf or Cupid and Psyche, for that matter. Wild.
Renee, I think AB deliberately pointed us the the directon you went with the Waovw. Also, RB was well know in the West End as a Shakespearean actor, which after his career fizzled, he fell back on.
You guys never cease to amaze me.
That is mindblowing.
Yes, what’s the fun of doing this if no one is noticing? Drop a reference to Elizabeth Taylor in an interview, and we’re off an running.
Ok, so who thinks the name Talbot is a mashup of Taylor and Burton?
So funny that you mention this, Osterby, because I bought this issue of Vanity Fair at the grocery store today specifically BECAUSE of the conversation about Burton/Taylor we were having here last night.
RB wrote to ET, in his most Billish moment, urging ET to come and visit him on the set in Mexico, where “the air is like wine” The hotel is well guarded and he wouldn’t mind building a home ther because it is so lovely, great restaurants, like Palm Springs with an ocean. And by the way, “the bed is huge!” When ET gets there it’s a hick town with an average temp of 113 degrees, only 2 restaurants, not many accomendations for visiters, shark infested waters and it hurricaine season. Could that be anymore Bill?
More about RB
*Described himself and his father as, “A man of extraordinary eloquence, tremendous passion, great violence.”
*Very late adoption (Burton was near legal age)
*War veteran
*amazing actor
*The relationship between Burton and Taylor portrayed in Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? was popularly likened to their real-life marriage.
*In 1968 Burton was involved in an incident that left his older brother Ifor disabled for the rest of his life. His younger brother Graham Jenkins opined it may have been guilt over this that caused Burton to start drinking very heavily, particularly after Ifor died in 1973.
*In a February 1975 interview with his friend David Lewin he admitted having “tried” homosexuality. He also suggested that perhaps all actors were latent homosexuals, and “we cover it up with drink.”
Movies of special interest to Trubies
*The Robe
*Bluebeard
*Cleopatra
*My Cousin Rachel
*Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
And he grew up near the town of Port TALBOT!
Yes, Bill and Lorena are George and Martha, when Martha is being drunk and beligerent.
When their “son” dies however, Martha becomes Sookie. Ultimately, Martha is a composite of the two, just like Lorena and Sookie are two juxtaposed, one-sided, and thus wholly inaccurate reflections of Bill’s “illusions” about himself in the show.
I’m not sure how prominent a place in my next recap this will occupy– and I’ll wait to see Sunday’s episode to decide. But Renee, we are SO on the same page here.
Awww…that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
I’ve got to say that I am so disappointed by this turn of events. I really hate that play, and now I’m going to have to read it again.
Just watch the movie instead! LOL.
My husband and I sat down for an impromptu viewing tonight, sparked by all this Liz Taylor talk, which sent my little True Blood gears turning. There’s a LOT there, but it’s so subtle right now.
I’ll be watching the next episode (when rumor has it that Bill and Lorena will be reuniting) to see if there are any more obvious allusions to the movie (screenshots, costumes, what have you). If I pick up even ONE outright hat tip, I’m taking that ball and running with it.
Anyway, I’m right there with you, and I don’t think the reference is especially obscure at all. Mike Nichols’ adaptation of that play was nominated for a SLEW of Academy Awards. And we all know that any gay screenwriter/director worth his salt is intimately familiar with the Liz Taylor oeuvre. It is nothing short of gospel. LOL!
Good idea. I’ll get the whole Taylor Burton effect that way, too. I’ll send it to the top of my queue, right after Cabaret. Have you explored it for TB Nazi connections? I think it will be another rich source.
Oh, and speaking of outright hat tips, there already WAS one.
When Jason’s talking to Hoyt– in the truth vs. lies convo– he refers to his Maxine as “Big Maxine” (see above). George calls his wife “Big Martha” when he’s having his man-to-man with Nick.
o.O
I meant, he refers to Maxine– not HIS Maxine. LOL!
Oh and by the way, THIS. I have TONS of personal experience with men who have been “bewitched” by a crazy ass woman. Suffice to say, they’ll never be happy with milquetoast. They NEED the crazy.
This goes for women, too, of course. But the point is, codependency is a near impossible pattern to break. And people who are addicted to drama have a way of attracting it, no matter how hard they think they’re trying not to.
There is another ET reference. In episode 4,”Escape from Dragonhouse,” Maxine Fortenberry makes the oddly off topic allusion to “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.” Later revelations about her closeted husband put that statement into perspective given your lavender marriage theory.
Good catch! Those TB comments that just seem to come from left field always connect to something.
Renee, can I ask where the whole Yvetta being introduced on Walpurgis Night came from? They didn’t mention that specifically, did they?
I was very interested in that reference, too, not just because of the nod to the witches and other pagan rituals– and, I might add, BURNING, in Germanic culture– but because Hitler and many of his high-ranking officers chose to commit suicide on Walpurgis, permanently linking him and his regime to some kind of occult initiation.
Nazis will be playing a very big role this season… so this CAN’T be coincidence.
I believe it was Serena who brought it up either here or on Sunny’s blog.
The prediction was that if Yvetta’s minisode was scheduled for the week of WN, then she was definitely a witch. I think she had some more info about WN and how it related to TB.
Sunny was definitely part of the conversation. Maybe she remembers more than I do.
Nope, not me. Though dare I say I was forced to read Faust one times too many.
Sorry to drag you into this. I’m going to hunt through Sunny’s blog and see if I can find the conversation.
Wait– doesn’t Young Goodman Brown take place on Walpurgis Night, too? I SOOO mentioned that in the first official cast poster comments, in reference to Sookie’s dress being pink… much like Faith’s ribbons.
Oh don’t worry Rene, this is intriguing stuff right here. But if we are being technical, if the auditions happened during the finale instead of the next night, then the auditions did occur on night of orgiastic demonic debauchery, and maybe Maryann included the date into her formulas as well.
That’s right MAS! I read it after your recommendation.
It would only make sense for Maryann to have scheduled her pagan ritual for Walpurgisnacht. Just sayin’.
Oh, that was me.
Hey guys, I won’t link it but the convo about Walpurgisnacht is in the ‘Do You Believe in Magick’ thread at my blog.
There are numerous examples of occult/magick symbolism in TB and the Nazi storyline should tie into it nicely.
Viking Lover, I just gotta say, I’ve been so impressed with that prediction. I feel sure that Yvetta is a very witchy woman.
Sunny, thanks for being my external hard drive. Did you see the RB Bluebeard connection down below? ROTFL!
Sunny, thanks for being my external hard drive. Did you see the RB Bluebeard connection down below? ROTFL!
Hahaha, yes I did! wheels within wheels…
{Viking Lover, I just gotta say, I’ve been so impressed with that prediction. I feel sure that Yvetta is a very witchy woman.}
Thanks Renee! Now let’s see if it really is connected or if we were all totally off! lol
Hey, I noticed that when QSA walks in Yvetta looked afraid of her as if she knew who exactly QSA was. When QSA starts to walk towards her (and address her), it seems as if Yvetta turns away as thorugh she’s afraid that QSA will recognize who she is. That was my take but then the whole Magister thing totally threw me off.
Yes! This is what I meant exactly yesterday, she freaks a bit,.. but I think I said this is in the spoiler post so you prob didn’t read it VL. lol. So why would the Queen give a hoot, unless Yvetta works for someone related in some way to QSA in order for her to be recognized?
AAAAHHHH. So the minisode DEBUTED on Walpurgis Night. Since it’s not written into the story, I’m not sure how much to make of that. But it IS interesting, nevertheless. And perhaps not entirely coincidental…
Right. Not the exact night, but the week of. I know it’s pretty tenuous, but these connections to the liturgical calendar are starting to add up and WAoVW connects events in the play to the calendar the same way.
I agree that she didn’t want to be recognized by SA. Maybe SA saw her with RE or Hallow? Who else could it be?
Maybe QSA saw Yvetta for sale once upon a time? Maybe Yvetta is trying to earn her freedom from the human traffickers by spying on Eric?
I like that. Isn’t Eastern Europe one of the hot spots for sex trafficking? In the TB Human Trafficking video, the local operation was run by the Russian mafia.
If Ludis and Yvetta were in the same auction, SA would have seen her and probably tasted her. Maybe the traffickers were sent by RE to SA to get spies into her palace or he could have bought Yvetta later.
It might be that QSA is in debt to these mobster types who operate more than just the one scheme, drugs, money laundering, ect, and that’s why she needs the money. Maybe they stuck Yvetta at Fangtasia to see if there was either competition on the drug market or if the other vampires have any money seeing as QSA is in default. And they could always sell the info to either RE or QSA.
I’m betting Sam worked for them when he was a pup.
I actually thought a lot about this today,.. I’ll post the rest of my conjecture over on the spoiler page, I don’t want to ruin anything for those that have restraint, how I envy them!
Can’t wait to read it.
Renee and Serena, I’m liking that theory! I thought Yvetta was also related to Ludis in some way and that’s why she was afraid to be recognized by QSA. Serena, bless you for not putting spoilery bits from those pics in here! Even though I’m bummed that I can’t read more about your theory.
Sorry, VL, I could give you the relative spoiler free version if you want? Here it is: everything is related, how is that for ambiguous statements?
And wasn’t it just a week ago you were the ‘instant gratification girl?’ Lol. How things change. lol.
LOL I know right! Hahahaha! I just can’t do it now! I want to be surprised! There have just been waaaaay too many spoilers leaked now. It’s like spoiler overload.
I’ve already mentioned this at True Blood Underground, but I’ve had some thoughts about Bill feeding from Olivia. I think that maybe Olivia is in the early stages of something like alzheimers – she let a dirty, half naked man into her house after dark and at first she thought he was her son, Stanley. Then Bill fed on her and glamoured her to believe that Stanley had visited her and given her the money – but what if Stanley has been dead for several years and Olivia’s condition has made her confused/forget that he’s no longer around? Then someone (a neighbour or another relative) comes by to do a welfare check on her, sees the band aid on her neck and then find the bite marks and hears about how “Stanley” has been to visit his mother. That person is going to call the police to report a vampire attack on a defenceless old woman, and then the media are going to get hold of the story (not to mention how much the FotS are going to make of it) and if someone (such as RE or Lorena) are able to make the connection to Bill being in the area right about that time… Well, they’ll certainly have something big to hold over Bill’s head and blackmail him with.
Well it’s been said about a hundred times now, but it deserves to be said about a hundred more, soooo Great job MAS!!! Your recap was definitely on-point, insightful, funny, and full of stuff that made me think with my brain.
The lavender marriage thing was brilliant; as soon as you explained it I knew where you were going with it (the vampire route) cause it makes sooo much sense.
I loved that you touched on Laffy’s tequila to-go cause I thought that was hilarious as well as his tequila and Klonopin solution to all life’s problems.
I LOVED the little sarcastic comments you threw in there as well, that one would almost miss if they weren’t paying close attention, such as “Despite Pam’s desperate attempts to shield her from the sex bomb that exploded in Fangtasia’s basement, Sookie finds Eric…”
And I just have to agree that angry Eric yelling at the Bluetooth was hot to me too. Whether it was in character or not, it still made nice little shivers run down my….um back!
Once again, terrific job, MAS, it’s easy to tell that you put a lot of time and effort into providing that recap for us, so thanks!!
MAS, thank you for the recap–I really enjoyed it and will add all future ones to my must-read TB rundowns (my list includes only two: Jacob’s from TWOP and now, yours!).
Like many others, I loved the lavender wedding theory, and adored the freaky snap exemplifying “Beard: Exhibit A”.
As mentioned in earlier comments, I, too, thought Sookie said “Holy Ass!”, but wasn’t sure. I really hope she did, because that makes it even funnier. Eric going a bit apeshit is something I didn’t mind at all, because 1) he was hot when he screamed into that Bluetooth thingy–esp. because a bit of accent came out and 2) I agree that he’s in a completely untenable situation that I can definitely believe would throw him off his game. We (or I) need to see chinks in the armor every now and again.
It never occurred to me that Jessica might deliberately be trying to turn the trucker–I just figured she was shooting spitballs out of desperation and ignorance of what to do in that situation. If he is turned, I could definitely see the scenario you described (Franklin Mott, etc.) playing out.
So much to chew on (groan…sorry!) in your recap–thanks for sharing your thoughts and wit with us.
Thank you, SusanMy!!! Though SVB gets full credit for hunting down that delightfully bizarre Liza Minnelli wedding photo. I just about peed my pants when I saw it. LOL!
I also would prefer that Sookie said “Holy Ass”– mostly because I’m tired of the inconsistency the writers are showing with her dialogue. Does Sookie bristle at profanity or not? Because one episode that have her sighing “FUDGE,” while the next she’s dropping F-bombs all over the place. It’s totally schizophrenic.
As for the trucker, I don’t think Jessica was TRYING to turn him. She was just giving this guy she drained her blood to try to heal him. The trouble is, Bill never explained to her that THAT’S HOW YOU MAKE BABIES. So here you’d have Jessica accidentally “with child” because she never learned about “safe sex”– much less how procreation happens– in the first place.
I think that IF the dead trucker rises, Jessica will be as shocked as the rest of us. I’m not sure she even considered that as a possibility… but I sure as SHIT did!
Ah, yeah–that’s right, the accidental “teen pregnancy” thing. Of course she wouldn’t know, and then would end up knocked up with a little baby vamp to care for. I’m thinking this would make a great promo/dvd special feature: After School Special: “Baby Vamps Having Baby Vamps”. DAW rocks this role–I feel for her confusion and loneliness–and I want to smack Bill around for being such a neglectful dad.
Your speculative powers are supreme–can’t wait to see how everything unfolds!
One small correction: this isn’t the 1st time Jason’s wasn’t able to “get it up.” My hubby was happy to point out that in TB time, this was the 2nd time in about 6 weeks that Jason’s had problems. The first was with Dawn back in season 1.
Oh that’s right, that’s how he starts using V
Is it because he couldn’t get it up, though? I thought Jason came to Lafayette because he found out that Dawn had had sex with vampires and it was the best she ever had– so he felt like he had to compete.
But it’s been a while since I watched any season 1 episodes, so…
I think it was because of both lol. He had trouble getting it up and then Dawn goes off on him telling him that sex with a vamp was the best sex she ever had so that made it worse for him. Did make him want to compete.
Not just any vamp either, it was Eric, as was heavily implied in both the show and the book.
Yeah, at one point Dawn says something along the lines of “now you can’t even get it up.” I think that was right before she pulls the gun on him, lol.
Didn’t he ask Laffy for Viagra? Laffy laughed and told him that he could get it at the drug store. Then he suggested Jason use one drop maybe two…lmao!
Lol, he sure did! That was a great scene.
LOL! It seems I stand corrected!
Things that make me go hmmm….
What were those wierd noises QSA was making when he attacked Eric?
Sookie called the daughter of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella who founded the Spanish inquisition, that employed the magister, which was about the time Eric picked up the amusement ride in the DOD, to help her find Bill?
Home schooled kids have knowledge of ancient runes and are able to find them on their iphones.
What were those wierd noises QSA was making when he attacked Eric?
I think we’ve got another birdlady on our hands. Over on my blog, we’ve been having a discussion about what SA was before she became a vampire. Last week Gigi proposed that she was a siren. The photo of SA in a birdcage certainly supports that idea. My only reservation was that the sirens were supposed to lure sailors to their death with their song. Holy S. Her scream did have a certain musical quality to it and could no doubt capsize a boat.
She’s a Harpy!!! LOLZ.
HAHHAHAHA Renee, As I told you, TB people are not very strict about mythologies and sometimes they mix concepts at their convenience. She could also be a harpy or some kind of mix. But my only reservation about it is that the harpy is classified as an air spirit, not a water one like the siren, and is depicted as an ugly bird woman. And ERW/S-A might to be blame of bad acting, of portray a hideous character, blah blah, but not of being an ugly woman…
Besides, there are too many sea motives in her house, from her coat of arms in the thympanum till the dioramas and the shell sculpture. It wouldn’t make sense if she were a harpy, but actually thinghs don’t need to be logic and make sense in TB, so…
All the sea imagery in her home makes me lean towards siren.
my first thought when i heard that shriek (aside from HOMFG because i was not expecting that) was “QSA is a freaking banshee!” … just to throw another mythological critter into the mix.
I wonder if AB will use the song “Du riechst so gut” by Rammstein The name “Rammstein” can very easily be taken to allude to “Rarmmkommando” from WWII, whose goal was to deliberately collide with (ram) American bombers a part of Operation Wehrwolf. Check out the video on you-tube.
Eric’s Dad is King Ulfrick. In the Anita Blake series an “Ulfric” is the leader of a given Werewolf pack. In a Baby name book- ULFRIC: Norman Germanic equivalent of Anglo-Saxon Wulfric, meaning “wolf power.” In the same book-
ERIC: Derived from the Old Norse Eirìkr meaning “Eternal Ruler”
This fits with SVB’s take on Eric’s history related to Werewolves and aptly describing his vamphood.
I’m totally thinking Eric himself was a werewolf before he was turned, or his father was one. (It could also be that he just used them to shore up his power, but that’s slightly less exciting.)
Either way, I’m keeping a lookout for any brands that Eric might have on his body, because Godric evidently had one (though I don’t know if it was a Wolfsangel or not– I’m only assuming). In fact, I should’ve looked closer during the basement scene. As you can imagine, I was a little distracted.
It could be that Eric’s father was a Were and that Eric’s mother was not, so he was not. Perhaps this is what set up the issues between Eric and his father. It may be that Russell was the “Ulfric” of another pack who challenged Eric’s father in the way Alcide’s father was challenged. Perhaps Eric’s father was killed in the duel. Eric not being a Were; could not avenge his fathers death. This would set up his hatred of Weres and Russell.
There was a lot of discussion about Eric’s human connection to Weres few weeks ago. It’s on the ‘True Blood Bus Ad’ thread. It starts around comment 85 and goes almost to 140.
Fabulous job. I, too, write a True Blood recap every week, but I love reading other takes on the episode, which is probably why I have no life because I spend 90% of Monday writing mine and reading about ten others. I’m not one for conspiracy theories and that stuff, but it’s interesting to see how much people can find in just one episode.
Anyway, fantastic job, and keep up the great work!
Thanks, brad! I had the pleasure of reading your recap of ‘Timebomb’ at SVB’s suggestion recently, and you had me laughing so hard I had to change my undies.
Anyway, I am flattered, because the sentiment is totes mutual.
your recap was fantastic! thanks for the eljay friending too
Where are these Photos, an Video that i keep hearing about of SA in a Cage? I really wanna see these, but donno where to find them.
you can find it on SVB facebook page, I put it in yesterday. “The TB pre-show that was shown on sunday”
Sorry to go OT, but has anyone seen the new spoiler photos from the season finale set?
Eric appears to have his face and hands burned. And it’s him for sure…
I’m just doing a post now Hime.
Just hold off guys, because this is waaaaaay OT.
And I need to stop crying because…..OH MY FUCKING GOD.
Hey I finally saw 3.01! Woohoo! I am so late to this party, but what they heck….
My quick digestion;
1. The DOD sex scene was fine, I didn’t find it gross and it didn’t give me nasty flashbacks to the maudette tape. In fact I thought it gave us great E/S repartee and of course Askars butt nekkid (I had to replay that bit back a few times purely for research purposes).
2. I did actually feel a bit sorry for Sookie (now thats not to say she wasn’t bloody annoying, because she was), but I felt for her – really noone was interested in the fact that beehl had disappeared – except Eric – and interesting that she didn’t really acknowledge that he was really the only one who did take an interest – okay perhaps he did so for selfish reasons (Sookie, Beehls knowledge of his part in the V selling etc) but still, Eric was the only one who was likely to try to help her.
3. DAW is just outstanding as Jessica – she is playing clueless, niave and totally freaked out with so much skill. In this AB has made a stellar move including this character into TB
4. Tara is doing my nut in, already. Its not that I object to her being so upset by Eggs death – I get it, she’s a firecracker, she’s had it rough, but the level of unreasonableness of her reactions and responses definitely isn’t endearing me to her. I feel sorry for Rutina cause this character does not seem to have too many (so far visible) redeeming qualities….
5. I thought Beehls treatment of the old lady was sweet and then I immediately thought, yeah, but i don’t trust you mate. We shall see (oh and the fuck you crew was hilariously ‘homo’ inspite of trying so hard not to be ‘homo’)
6. and finally, Beehl and Sam – freaking hilarious. I thought SM was brilliant in that scene but I felt Sam wasn’t as committed to the feel of it. Dunno just my armchair assessment. Still, Beehls ‘nice’ with all that intense eye contact was freaking funny. Loved it.
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1) I agree with you on this. I actually thought the look on Erics face when he sensed Sookie in the DOD was quite funny, he was not happy at all that she saw this
6) Yes Sam/Bill dream was hilarious. Bill all seducing and it was obvious that Sam didn’t feel all that comfortable, it was like ‘I don’t want this, but I can’t help it’.
Hey Freya! – I kinda saw his expressions as a bit different – I felt he didn’t mind Sookie seeing him, I thought in his initial reaction to her interruption you could see Eric’s mind working overtime ie. here’s an opportunity etc….I think he a) wanted her to get a load of his junk (and what a lovely view that was) and b) he probably is hoping its planting a few more seeds for gestation in sookies mind to see him in a sexual context (as a start anyway)…
DAW was amazing in the scene with the dying trucker. For the first time ever in TB, I cried. I felt so horrible for her. She reminds me of that kid everyone has in their school whose parents never taught them anything and then they get their first period and they’re just so completely alone and in the dark…it was just heartbreaking. Bill is most certainly the worst maker EVER.
I thought DAW was brilliant and very convincing as the neglected teenager. She’s lost everything, and that wasn’t much, but she gained nothing! She’s lonely, scared and bullied, with no supervision and care. Sad really
DAW’s performance really moved me this week. I have to admit that I find her character one of the most interesting and likeable and I have to give AB kudos for creating her. The fact she is a new character makes it easier to just sit back and enjoy as we have no book-based expectations of her and can just watch her story unfold. Same goes for Lafayette post-S1. I can’t say the same for all his tangents (could have done without Maryann), but I really care about Jessica and hope she has a future. Her character is interesting on many levels and has much potention, IMO.
er, *potential!
I totally agree here. Both DAW and AH have acting skills well beyond their years/experiences. They have both been able to portray such deep emotions on screen, and have really made these characters worthy of their inclusion in the show.
Just from the small scenes we’ve already seen from Jessica this season we can see how really shitty a maker Bill actually is, and how far behind the 8 ball she really is. Everything i see coming is going to be heart breaking, i really am looking forward to her journey.
Freya: So you think he was pissed that Sookie saw him having random sex?? I can see him not really wanting to see him in this life, as he has never paraded anything in front of her. I’m kinda pulled between him being ok with her seeing him like this, as it allows him to gauge her emotions, or him regretting her seeing him with someone else…. (not sure if that made sense lol)
I got the same feeling that Eric was… well, not really pissed, but unconfortable that Sookie was seeing him with Yvetta. The way he says “I take Sookie could not be stopped” didn’t sound like a joke at all to me. And his grin when he senses Sookie behind him is not really amused. I suppose Eric is slightly pissed at Pam because she took revenge for being kicked off of that little sex game.
Eric is no fool, he knows that Sookie has a pure soul and that seeing him banging a girl that way is not good to make her see him in a better light.
Yeah, I agree 100% with Hime and Freya. For me though, I think he was a little more than just uncomfortable – I think he was actually really pissed at Pam because he did that little thing with his mouth he does when he’s upset and he also swallowed really hard. lol I loved watching him regaining his compusure before he turns around to look at Sookie. Okay, I think I have watched that scene waaaaay too many times. Anyhoo, he definitely was NOT a happy camper at that moment and I definitely agree with this statment: {Eric is no fool, he knows that Sookie has a pure soul and that seeing him banging a girl that way is not good to make her see him in a better light.}
Yes that is what I was thinking too, I also have seen this scene way too many times
hehe. His look was not bemused, he of course knows what type of person Sookie is (no fangbanger here), but he decided to make good of the situation and show her what she might be missing out on 
Our Eric was making the best of a bad situation.
He really should have locked the door though, and he has only himself to blame for that.
i would even say that it took him moving away from Yvetta to be fulling in control with himself. I just feel from the way he holds himself, and delivers the lines that he is trying to reign in his emotions.
VL: that little mouth thing he does is very telling
I wouldn’t say Sookie has a pure soul – she’s as horny and red blooded as any girl in her mid twenties – but I do agree that Eric recognises that was NOT an ideal situation for her to catch him in. I think this ties into BE quite well; he was also actively hiding the “baser” aspects of his nature from Sookie because he knew instinctively that her upbringing and limited experience with vampires would not allow her to accept the dark side of his vampirism. He understood from the beginning that would take time, and he gave her that. By book 10 he is hiding nothing.
I’ve really struggled with this scene, and I still hate it, truth be told. But I can see how it “fleshes out” something that was only touched on in the books. Early in the book series we knew that Eric had seen and done all, but we weren’t privy to it because Sookie wasn’t. And Sookie wasn’t privy to it because Eric made damn sure that she wasn’t.
So now I’m kind of feeling that this scene wasn’t OOC for ERIC. But I think it was completely OOC for Sookie. Book Sookie would never, in a million years have stood there and had a conversation while Eric’s hard on was all up in her face.
She be telling him to put some freaking clothes on and get upstairs to talk. And then she’d give him a damn good earful when he got there and move onto cracking a plan to find Bill. A plan that did NOT involve grovelling to everyone in Bon Temps like some fairytale damsel in distress to help her do it. Book Sookie would never EVER go to the cops to report a missing vampire. She wouldn’t do that in book ONE, let alone when she was actually immersed in their vampire bullshit up to her ears.
Furthermore, book Eric KNOWS Sookie wouldn’t cop any of this crap – which is why Pam would NEVER have let her barge down there in the first place.
But…this ain’t the books.
End rant.
I agree SVB… Total OOC for Sookie… annoying as hell!!! but as you say… no the books…
*sad panda*
*grabs SVB around the shoulders & pulls tight* I’m here honey, i’m here!
*hugs back*
We have to stick together
That’s my sense of this scene, too. I’m still not happy with the DOD location, but the scene isn’t supposed tone hot or make the viewers comfortable, quite the contrary. For me, what saves the scene is The look on Eric’s face when he realizes Sookie is there. That’s such an, ‘Oh, shit,’ moment. How the scene plays out is due to Sookie’s brazeness.
Those are some really good points SVB. Perhaps that’s why Sookie annoyed the hell out of me during that episode. I’m just not used to THAT Sookie being around.
ChelleInOZ, I understand what you mean about feeling sorry for Sookie. In a hypothetical situation, I think I might feel sorry for someone in her situation. But I just couldn’t drudge up any sympathy for her in this episode. I think some of that may tie back into what SVB said here, Book Sookie (the real Sookie to me, lol) wouldn’t be all put out that other people weren’t getting all up in arms over a missing vampire. For me she has a much more realistic view of the way things are than TB Sookie. And like SVB said she would have NEVER went to the cops about a missing vampire. Book Sookie learned early on that supe problems belong with the supes, not with human law enforcement.
Though I did completely agree with all your other assessments. And of course you had to watch that Eric scene again and again for “research purposes” lol. Who woulnd’t want to research that!?
I guess I never was such a fan of a couple as I am of Eric and Sookie, as everyone here is clear, but at the end of the episode I was ready to abandon ship. I mean I do not understand what Eric can see that Sookie, I’m sorry, but I’m almost considering the possibility of them not being together on the show and it would make no difference to me. The only reason I want the two to stay together in the show is to do justice to the character of Eric, and also because Bill and Sookie together are very boring to watch. If not for the spoiler and expectation for the next episodes, which I feel is very good, I would have jumped off that boat.
After that episode I, too, found myself beginning to not care whether Eric and Sookie get together. I only became addicted to that idea after I Will Rise Up, then reading the books. But if this TB Sookie keeps acting like she has been, I will lose interest.
There’s a lot about Book Sookie I don’t like much, but she’s good hearted and basically likeable and tolerable even if she needs a slap around the ears every now and then. She’s canon Sookie so I have to live with her, though her “kept woman” streak makes me want to scream and her cleaning fetish bothers me no end.
Like SVB, I cannot accept Book Sookie would have stood there having that conversation with Eric with his glistening erection all but prodding her in the chin; considering how tall he is it would have been disturbingly close to her face. She would have been too squicked out by it all to talk to him down there, and, frankly, so would I. I don’t know what we were supposed to infer from the way she did behave; maybe that she wasn’t in a position to make demands since she barged in uninvited. However Sookie is not so sophisticated and cool that she would have been able to deal the way she did. Her behaviour was just too OOC. Yes, I, too, have watched that scene many times, for research purposes, and have given these issues much thought.
Time will tell. I hope TB Sookie develops a sense of perspective and humour, and she and Eric form a friendship and camaraderie so I can continue to want them together.
I just thought about this, but she should have had more of a reaction considering the last time she was down there she saw Laffy in chains. Wouldn’t that have flashed back to her mind and her hatred for Eric flared up again? She just seemed so nonplussed about the situation she walked in on. I just expected more of a reaction and like you said, Book Sookie wouldn’t have stood there like she did. She must be so under the influence of Bill’s blood, er… kidnapping that nothing else mattered at the moment.
[A plan that did NOT involve grovelling to everyone in Bon Temps like some fairytale damsel in distress to help her do it. Book Sookie would never EVER go to the cops to report a missing vampire. She wouldn’t do that in book ONE, let alone when she was actually immersed in their vampire bullshit up to her ears.]
O.M.G.!!!!!! She’s so incredibly annoying and hideous with her constant whining!!! And what about her stupid speech to Bud about the elders? Running through BT asking for help… Sookie??? REALLY???
I really don’t know what Eric sees in her besides her “forgotten” telephaty gift, because If I were Bill, I swear I would have asked the were gang the favor to drain me completely to escape from her and from SA’s yahtzee challenge tournament.
CH said once in her blog that she always have expected that the protagonists of her books will be role models for women at the time they need to face difficult situations… but it seems she forgot to tell it to Ball when sold him the tv rights …
WTF?! Does CH really think the thing for a woman to do when faced with a difficult situation is to clean the house from top to bottom?
: I think her running around and whining and demanding (and preaching to Bud) was made all the worse because she was wearing that hideous lavender dress and the engagement ring while she was doing it. She was sending out “I am a fragile, feminine woman and it’s your job to help me”. CH’s message seems a little antiquated to me. At least Buffy would have grabbed some weapons and gone off to do the job herself.
On the contrary Millarca. All CH’s protagonists and most of her female characters at her books are empowered women. This TB SOOKIE is a total BALLSHIT invention. Book Sookie is a very independent and empowered woman with the inteligence and the will to get out from problems by herself as she did in LDID. THIS whiny and totaly co-dependent Sookie isn’t at ALL the real Sookie from the books (not even in spirit…)
You’re right, of course. I was momentarily blinded by the lavender dress and distracted by the cleaning obsession, which bothers me more than it should because I am a pig.:D I have also read far too much fanfiction since I read the books and should go back to the source and read the books again. Book Sookie is independent and empowered and has the ability to sort out her problems, even if she is a little misguided and stubborn at times.
Wow! You Guys are a tough crowd! lol Well, I think I’m definitely in the minority because I liked Sookie in this episode. I liked that she took matters into her own hands and tried to make moves to get her BF back. For me it was good to finally see her use her freaking brain and stand on her own two feet. Her brain seemed to be missing for much of S2. I may not like Bill (and would like for him to disappear forever) but for Sookie, that’s her BF and he needs help – he was kidnapped and for all she knows tortured/killed. She doesn’t trust Eric to really look for him because she doesn’t trust him that much yet. She’s also not that immersed in the Supe world yet so of course her inclination was to go to all possible sources for help – including the human police. I like that she didn’t sit around waiting.
About the DOD scene, I liked the fact that she stood her ground. Yeah she shouldn’t have been there in the first place – meaning she shouldn’t have just barged in like she did. That was plain rude but again, she doesn’t trust Eric and assumed Bill was down there. If I were her I would have assumed that too. In any case, the way I saw that scene was that once she was down there she was stuck and didn’t want to show that she fucked up. lol To me she stayed out of stubborness and pride (which seems to be in keeping with her TB persona especially when dealing with Eric) – she also put her “game” face on so that she wouldn’t show Eric how much it bothered her. Plus I think her worry over Bill overrode the embarrassment she was feeling. I really liked the way they both behaved in that scene – both equally stubborn.
Anyhooo, there were only 2 things that bothered me and that was the money thing (her reaction to the “bonus” she received from Eric), and when she compared Tara’s situation to her own.
I really hope to see her evolve this season – more independence, etc. I also hope to see her start to soften towards Eric, which I think we’ll start to see in the next episode (hopefully).
VikingLover, I always seem to agree with you LOL
I liked Sookie in this episode. This is her boyfriend that’s gone missing, and as you say, she doesn’t know any better on how to find him. She went first to the human police because she suspected Eric to have taken him… and when they wouldn’t help, she went to Fangtasia herself. That is to me, very brave! She possibly might think she couldn’t get out unscatched if Eric had Bill, she was in fact risking her life (as she might have thought), because she has no trust for Eric yet, Bill has seen to that!
And wouldn’t anybody have been angry with sheriff Dearborn if he said that your boyfriend was not a missing ‘person’ because he was a vampire. I personally would have exploded and said something nasty, you don’t think well in times like these, with noone to turn to.
And I also agree with everything you said about the DOD scene VL!
VL: yes i can see where you are coming from. It’s just to me she is so far from Bookie it’s scary. Even though Bookie is stubborn to a fault, she still would have never stood there. I would still think that her upbringing would have made her say some snarky comment to Eric, then march right back up those stairs.
I do get that Tookie is like this, it just pisses me off to no end that they have created her so OOC. Where is the spirit of the book in that
Dazedrose: Maybe Book Sookie would have stood there if she were in the same place in life as TB Sookie. We don’t know. In the books, she knew Eric alot better, and trusted him even in LDID, there was much more interaction between them. In TB she hasn’t had much interaction with Eric, both the timeline is shorter (only about 6 weeks) and Bill has done everything to separate them, I think TB Bill is more divient than BookBill (although he sugarcoats it better).
Freyja: Yeah you are right… I’m just disappointed is all. They really missed the boat on this one. And TB Bill is more cunning then Book Bill, Though i still find it funny their interaction while alone together and his talks with Sookie about him…
I still haven’t had my morning coffee (it’s 10am here) so i’m still not quite with it
Freyja, I don’t like how Sookie acted, but I agree that it was in character for her. She’s more manic, I suppose because of Bill’s blood. She doesn’t know Eric yet and certainly doesn’t trust him, and she would equate this with Bill’s orgy where her presence certainly didn’t inhibit anyone.
As always I am higly optimistic that this season will change Sookies behavior. She needs some Eric influence in her life!!!
Her talk with everyone she spoke to pissed me off. Bookie (as she has been dubbed by Lindsayk on Twitter; Tookie is TB Sookie) would NEVER have spoken to them in that manner. She would have never compared Egg’s death to Beel being missing. I get that Tara’s ‘love’ for eggs isn’t really, and most of her time spent with him wasn’t really them, but the guy is DEAD!! Gone forever. Beel is just missing. Really Sookie. She isn’t the Sookie she should be.
I really hated Sookie throughout the whole episode. She would have never spoken to Bud like she did, and she sure as hell wouldn’t of stood there talking with Eric like she did. And i’m pretty sure she would have been on the phone to Eric telling him he gave her to much money.
As much as Bookie did piss me off in some of her internal musings, she is a reasonable roll model. Strong and independent. Tookie is starting to really remind me of Bella, the little 17 year old willing to give up her life for a guy she just meet.
AP is not playing Sookie in the books she making Sookie her own. I am not Bill and Sookie fan at all.
Sookie is in love with Bill and she planning on marrying him. Bill been kidnapped and she will do anything to get him back and I don’t see anything wrong about the her actions.
Sookie call the police telling them that Bill has been kidnapped and don’t do anything because he a vampire.
Sookie goes to see Sheriff Bud and he would not do anything because he’s vampire. Sookie don’t know much about vampires at all. Sookie did learn something that the police will do anything to help vampires that have been kidnapped. I would had been mad at him for not doing his job. Sookie in the book did.
The first person she believed kidnapped Bill was Eric because Sookie does not trust him. Eric did order his vampires to grab Bill but someone else kidnapped him.
Tara is in shock because her boyfriend was killed and Tara blamed Sookie for Egg’s death. I don’t blame Sookie for kicking Tara after the fight.
Sookie will do anything to get Bill back.
I could understand why Sookie was suspicious that Eric over pay her. I would be very suspicious if someone gave me bonus for that job. Sookie does not know anything about Eric yet to trust him.
If my boyfriend was kidnapped, the police would not do anything about it and I would be very mad at them.
{I could understand why Sookie was suspicious that Eric over pay her. I would be very suspicious if someone gave me bonus for that job.}
Really, LLE? What do you think Sookie was thinking about the extra money? Just curious.
Please don’t forget that AB says the real story is about Sookie and Bill’s romance in an interview.
Yeah i agree about the speech to Bud, completely stupid and pointless “i luhv Bill just like you love your wife, or your kids, or your grandbabies” ugh what a waste of a scene im glad im not the only one that thought it was stupid she went to the police…they could have used the time spent on that on someone else, and on Lettie Maes scenes too.
But, just to add, i liked Sookie in the scenes other than the Sheriff Bud scene, even if she annoyed me in the DOD scene. I liked her in the DOD scene in spite of it because along with whatever else she felt in that scene was some definite attraction to Eric. She may have been shocked and annoyed as well, but that line Eric gave her about wanting what was Bills didnt escape her notice, it was obvious.
I didn’t have a problem with Sookie going to the police. Apparently, if QSA’s problems with the IRS are any indication, vamps have to pay taxes so they have a right to expect public sevices.
My problem was her self-righteous and condescending attitude. She tried to brow-beat both Kenya and Bud and disrepected them both. And how dare she compare the ‘love’ she has for her bf of 6 weeks to Bud’s love for his wife of decades, and his children and grandchildren? She stood there disrespecting her elder Bud while speechifying to HIM about respecting HIS elders? pfft
Sookie was bullying and aggressive with everyone she came into contact with this ep, which is fine up to a point, but she might have gotten further using a little subtlety and finesse. Not to mention, Tara and Jessica could have used a little understanding. She is so wrapped up in herself and Bill that she can’t even see that poor Jessica is in real pain, and apparently Tara’s suffering does not even rate a phone call the next day. I get she was mad but now is not the time for her to indulge in petty grudges.
I’m sorry but I disagree with this assessment. Her BF was KIDNAPPED and NO ONE would help her. Kenya and Bud behaved as if Bill was not a person (and therefore didn’t matter) and therefore did not show any interest in trying to find him. If anything they treated Sookie like total shit. They were being “racist” in my opinion. Sorry, race is the only word I could think of to describe the prejudice going on there. Can’t think of another word. lol In any case, where was their understanding of the situation that Sookie was in? Look, I understand that there is no love loss when it comes to Bill (I get it lol), however regardless of how WE feel about Sookie thinking she’s in love with someone after 6 weeks, the fact is that SHE feels that way. Whether she’s in love with him or not, this is someone that she cares about and who is possibly being subjected to torture or being killed. She has a right to go ape shit crazy on both Kenya and Bud if they’re not taking it seriously. I would have done the exact same thing if someone had talked to me in that situation.
Personally I don’t feel that Sookie was acting like a bully with anyone.
The only time she annoyed me was after they discovered Bill’s car, she ordered Jessica around like a servant. I can understand everything up to that point, she was in distress about Bill and I really don’t blame her for trying every which way to get help for him.
But get on your own knees and look at the corpse Sookie, barking at Jessica just seems cowardly.
It was just like when she ordered Bill to clean up her yard in the finale while he was still trying to recover from giving Sam all that blood.
Now I’m no Bill fan but geez girl!
Yes as always I agree with you VikingLover
Like I said above about DOD scene, she’s standing her ground. It has to be frustrating for her to get no help and suspecting Eric to have done the kidnapping and still go to Fangtasia, thinking she might not make it out alive or unscatched.
And I really was pissed that they didn’t think Bill was a person and there really was no missing person to talk about! Of course she didn’t need to compare her love to Buds love for his family but she’s desparate and says anything to get through. It must be tough standing alone in this.
{Of course she didn’t need to compare her love to Buds love for his family but she’s desparate and says anything to get through.}
Exactly – her comparison was to try to explain to Bud that love is love. That her love for Bill is no less important (or real) than the love he feels for his family. Again, whether we agree with her or not, she still feels this way. I didn’t take it as her trying to compare the love of the decades he spent with his family to the 6 weeks she’s known Bill as being the same, she was just using it as an example to try and get through to the man who simply did not understand where Sookie was coming from. Yeah, it was not the best way to go but she was emotional and desperate. I probably would have said the exact same thing in her situation in order to get my point across.
I dont fault Sookie for doing everything she can to find Bill, I just thought it was ignorant that she thought the police would actually help…she had previous experience with Buds vampire prejudice, and she didnt have any PROOF that Bill was kidnapped. He could have easily taken off, and if Bill had been human they would have told her 48 hours as well, because hes not a minor. Honestly, i could see how the police wouldnt take her seriously, and thought Bill left the restaurant angry. It seems a more likely scenario. Thats why i thought the Bud and Sookie scene was a waste of time.
It’s not just prejudice. Bud honestly believes Bill killed Gran but he can’t prove it, so I can understand why he wouldn’t be very keen on finding him. Bud probably figures good riddance to a vamp who murders old ladies. (yes he does believe this. you can argue he’s wrong but it doesn’t change his belief or how he, understandably, reacts in the circumstances.)
Now, this isn’t the first time Sookie has treated Bud with such disrespect. She positively went OFF on him at the Rattray’s trailer about vampire prejudice EVEN KNOWING BILL HAD IN FACT KILLED THE RATTRAYS.
I tell you what, if I had ever seen someone treat my grandfather the way Sookie treats Bud everytime she sees him I would have beaten that girl into the ground and spat on her for good measure. Allowances have to be made for the fact that Bud is an old man, and a good one. He deserves respect, not assholish self-righteous sermons from a girl who doesn’t know her ass from a hole in the ground.
[It’s not just prejudice. Bud honestly believes Bill killed Gran but he can’t prove it, so I can understand why he wouldn’t be very keen on finding him. }
Sunny, you crack me up! Bud does NOT believe that Bill killed Gran - he firmly believes it was Rene. I've watched that episode many, many times - it's Andy who believes (at that time anyway) that JASON committed the murders and even argues with Bud about it. Bud argues with Andy that Rene nearly put Sookie in a body bag and Andy needs to let Jason go.
That scene with Bud and Sookie was a clear example of prejudice and how Vampires are still not being accepted into society. That was the whole point of that scene, in my opinion. He said Bill was not a person for goodness sake! If it had been me, I would have torn Bud a new a***hole, old man or not.
Anyway, let's let go because we'll just end up back at Gran and then we'll go in circles until we're both dizzy! lol
You know the whole point about the door open and bud questioning Sookie and her getting it wrong was to mislead the audience to think it was Sam, that is why there was an emphasis on it. After Sookie walks in and finds Dawn, the last thing the audience is gonna think about is the door so they have to bring your attention back to it and they did that with Bud questioning Sookie and her not remembering makes you think about it more. At that time on the show, they tried to mislead you towards Sam. This is why they make sure to show the audience how Sam had Dawn’s keys on him, and then the scene when he leaves Merlotte’s with the latex glove and is in Dawn’s bed. Of course book readers knew differently but most people who haven’t read the books, made Sam a suspect for the murders.
My other thing is IF bill went to the trouble of breaking in and reading police reports and made sure to remember even the smallest of details such as leaving a door open, then why would the most important part be so different such as how the women were killed. Gran was killed in a completely different way. I can’t see how someone would copycat a murder, be so detail oriented with the door part but murder the victim so very different than the murders he is copying. Bill is able to mimic it very easily since he is so fast and could’ve come up behind gran before she had any opportunity to react. Not only that but the coroner had proof that she put up quite a struggle, with a vamp I really don’t think she could’ve. IF Ab were to go in this direction then he did a bad job of it.
Yeah, I agree but we’d better let the topic go because I don’t think any of us will ever be on the same page on that one! lol How is it that we always end up back at Gran, Rene, and Bill being a serial killer!
In any case, someone mentioned this somewhere in one of the comments and I agree – it’s funny that they have QSA mention the IRS and also the fact that the police do not want to put in any effort to locate a missing/possibly kidnapped vampire. So they vampires are “people” enough to be taxed but not people “enough” to have the same rights as humans. Whether QSA was lying or not, I think it’s interesting that it was mentioned nonetheless.
Sunny, you crack me up! Bud does NOT believe that Bill killed Gran – he firmly believes it was Rene.
Sorry VL, but Sookie heard Bud’s thoughts at Grans funeral: “You are sleeping with the man who murdered your grandmother”. He didn’t think to himself: “I THINK you are sleeping with the man who murdered your grandmother”. Even in his own thoughts he did not evince any doubts.
Everybody thinks Rene killed Gran because it did turn out that he was the killer of Dawn, Amy, and Maudette. Sookie saw Rene’s thoughts and THINKS they confirm he killed her Gran–yet it IS established that Bill can and will implant false memories through glamour–and Bud has no choice but to go along because he cannot prove otherwise. However, it can’t have escaped Bud’s notice that Gran didn’t fit Rene’s victim profile nor does the manner of Gran’s death fit Rene’s modus operandi in the other murders.
And again, it DID escape Sookie’s notice that Rene’s memory of Gran’s murder made no sense. How could Rene expect SOOKIE, whom he KNEW she was out on a date, to be home while expecting the elderly Gran to be GONE so late at night? Did he think Gran would be out juking while Sookie sat home knitting?
Dee,
If the reason was to point the finger at Sam then the conversation would have been the exact opposite of what it was. Sookie would have said the door was unlocked when it was actually open. Very few viewers would remember that the door was unlocked. If the whole issue was dropped with Dawn’s death that would be one thing, but then when Gran was killed, viewers are shown that the door is open before Sam arrives. Then there is mention of the open door before the police get there and then the police make an issue of it. The writers and directors have very deliberately created a thread that goes from Dawn’s murder to Gram’s and now to Olivia’s house. I predict that when Caroline Compton meets her fate in Bill’s flashback there will also be an open door.
Book Bill considered it nothing to break in and read Bud’s report of Dawn’s death. Why wouldn’t TB Bill? I won’t go any further into what I think happened since VL really doesn’t want to go there. However, I’ll have something posted on my blog about it in the next day or two under the title,’Psycho.’ ;~)
Renee! I just dropped a link at your blog. DOH just revealed to The Advocate that RE was an ancient Druid!!
Renee, the point was just to focus on the door issue, and after that scene and ones that followed, made sam look like a suspect. We all realized Sookie was wrong so we remembered that part since we had to think about it once Bud brought it up.
IF AB would go in this direction, I will write him a letter to say how unrealistic it is lol. Again, nobody has answered how Bill went to the trouble to remember the smallest detail of leaving the door open but killed Gran in a completely different way than how the other women were murdered. If so then the whole point of leaving the door open makes no sense in this scenario. Also, copycats usually will mimic the scene. Makes more sense to me that a copycat who only copies a serial killer 1 time would copy the way the women were murdered exactly, so this is why I cant see it. Since Gran was killed very differently, makes more sense to me that a serial killer who killed 5 women would mess up on one of the murders. Bill being a vampire has the perfect opportunity to come up behind gran and strangle her and is strong enough where she can’t put up a fight. Then we had the coroner who said that she put up quite a struggle and I think it’s more possible to do so with a human than a vampire. I don’t see a vampire messing up so badly when he can kill the victim in seconds before the victim can even react. Unless Bill is just the worst vampire out there haha. Maybe I’m thinking about this too much from a realistic crime scene view but it doesn’t add up. If so then Gran should’ve been strangled to leave same evidence as all the other women such as the marks on their necks. Which i’m sure was also in the police reports. Again, maybe it’s just me focusing on real life copycat serial killers and how they pride themselves on copying it as is.
And I don’t think Renee expected Gran to be out, maybe just sleeping. This was not a concern with Renee since he killed Amy with Jason right next to her in bed.
VL, that’s a great point about vampires not being afforded the same legal and constitutional protections as humans yet being forced to pay income taxes. It would be analogous to the 14th Amendment or 19th Amendment never being passed, yet still forcing African Americans and women to pay income taxes. They are being forced to help fund a government that does not give them “personhood”.
I believe that the push for vampire rights, including the VRA, willbe part of the story this season. They likely dropped this tidbit about taxes in the first episode to set up the story and show the current injustice. The vamps need some good lawyers and powerful lobbyists in their pockets.
I find this whole aspect of the story fascinating regarding how far the vampires are willing to go and how much they are willing to give in order to fully join human society and government. Would they be willing to give up their legal code and justice system? All of the vamps we’ve seen so far, with the possible exception of the terrible threesome, recognize and usually adhere to the vampire justice system. Even self-loathing Bill obeys and follows when he has to (well, at least in the first season). If they are extended equal rights and protection, then they would also be subject to human laws and justice.
i tend to think that IF Bill killed Gran he knew Sookie would find why not make it as gruesome as possible. Shock value would be higher in that circumstance,and would heighten her need for comfort and need for security. And from what i can remember of university was that once a serial killer changed his MO so severely the all sub-sequence murders would be similar due to the killer enjoying the increased thrill involved. We found out in season 2 that Bill like bloody murdering…. js/jmo
Yeah but like you said, if the serial killer changed his MO he would continue with that pattern because of the increased thrill he had from that murder. Renee, had no thrill in murdering Gran, he was a bit distraught about it.
I don’t want to tell people their theories are wrong because everyone has their own theories so I say if people believe that then ok fine, who am I to say anything about it. I just personally don’t see it, but only time will tell.
Dee: You are totally right, each to their own. I just see Bill’s like of violent acts (Chicago couple, Rattrays) to connect him with Gran’s death. Renee’s previous killings just don’t show that type of desire. He is a clean killer, and i still think it would have been a massive jump to Gran’s killing for him.
But as you say, each to their own theories
I love what thoughts you have, even if we don’t agree.
Dee I realize this idea is extremely far fetched from what we have seen on the show and read in the books, so I completely understand your reluctance to endorse it.
Dazed Rose, you are absolutely right about Bill’s penchant for violence, but there’s more to it than that. René’s plot was lifted straight form the Hitchcock film, Frenzy. A man strangles three women with his necktie and frames his best friend. The Hitchcock killer who uses a knife is in a completely different movie. You can see which one on my blog.
Thanks Renee… i will do
I do agree with one thing. Sookie totally needs to stop the damsel in distress act. Thats the main problem i have with Bill, well one of them at least. She always acts so annoyingly when it comes to Bill. In fact, Ive seen many a reviewer, and i dont mean one or two, i mean like 5 AT LEAST say that they prefer Sookie separate from Bill, and that them two together is blah. I have also seen several describe AS as the standout actor this season, so im so excited about that. And a lot of these reviewers didnt have any Team preference from what i could tell. So yay!
Awwww, he IS the stand out actor!
I love Eric so much! Even though I hate QSA from the depths of my soul, I really love that whole QSA/Magister/Eric scene. I love all of the expressions that Eric makes when he’s a little exasperated at how crazy the Queen is. I could watch that scene over and over again. Yep, I am such a fangirl. 
Oh that’s my favorite scene in the show! And yes I’m so glad AS is receiving such good reviews. That will only be good for us fangirls
Me too! He really deserves it because he’s awesome as Eric. I feel as though you miss him when he’s not on screen and I feel like his scenes are the most interesting. Anyway, maybe that’s just cause I’m biased. lol I must admit that I felt a tingle of happiness when Sookie first walks up to the door at Fangtasia.
I also love it whenever Lafayette is on screen. He’s awesome as well. Believe it or not, I also like Tara very much. And of course I love it whenever Eric and Sookie are together in the same scene – I love their chemistry and their dynamic.
Well except for that whole “Monster!” dialogue for the bullet sucking scene. I wish that dialogue had never happened. Ugh.
Yeah, I wrote a little higher that I accidentally found a spoiler for S/E conversations in ep.2. I didn’t want to see that, but it was actually very funny and very BookEric
{Yeah, I wrote a little higher that I accidentally found a spoiler for S/E conversations in ep.2. I didn’t want to see that, but it was actually very funny and very BookEric }
Gah! Stop right there, Lady! I don’t want to know!
I want to hear the words from them when I watch it on Sunday. lol
Oh I’m not telling anything hehe
Just that I liked it and I can’t wait to hear it from Erics lips!!
Freyja-as long as you loved the line then I’m happy, because I am sure the rest of us viking lovers will be just as happy. So excited for episode 2 for all the Eric goodies we’ll get.
VL-I put it on and just watch that scene lol. His expressions are so great. I love when he says “no actually I dont” and the “or her” line. I thought he was great in the whole episode.
Oh I love those lines!! The “or her” line/expression was my favorite! Yeah, he’s definitely not going down without a fight. She knows this too – I fear for him.
I also loved when she asks him if he doesn’t think the Magister believed them and he says “Not entirely, no” – the expression on his face when he says that is priceles. And last but not least, I love it when the Magister leaves and QSA is going on and on about how he’s dull and right before he turns to look at her (to tell her that he doesn’t feel the same relief she does) he does this little shake of his head like you would when you’re exasperated by a child. lol Poor Eric.
ah that is the line i meant lol “not entirely no” his face when he said that was my favorite
Oh man, I loved that whole scene. I loved when they try to appease the Magister when he’s talking about how wasting the blood for anything other than procreation is blasphemy, then QSA says “madness”, and Eric says “desecration”. lol
You’re right, Dee – he was great in all of the scenes he was in.
The Magister is one scary Dude. I can’t imagine any fangbanger wanting to get a piece of that. lol
Yep VL, I think AS is just going to blow the competition away this season. That growl he gave after the Queen released the crown jewels was brilliant, I thought it was so in character for Eric (it was so spontaneous I wonder if it was a last minute ad lib on Askars part)
That growl. Awww. My fav part of the episode (apart from askars’ butt) LOL
Oh I know SVB – and I think it was you (apologies if I have attributed this to the wrong person!) who alluded to her current crisis as a teenager getting pregnant the first time they have sex. I really felt for Jessica; she is alone, her ‘father’ won’t teach her how to survive instead wants her to ‘abstain’ (so many conservative lifestyle references in bills behaviour), she has no rule book to go to, to understand what to do as a young vampire, and then she’s killed someone in bloodlust.
MAS gets the credit for the teenage pregnancy parallel, but I completely agree with her. One is really just an extension of the other.
Poor Jess. She’s so fucked.
Ah, good analogy MAS!
That was the first time you cried??!! OMG, I cried like a baby each time I saw Sookie up on the roof with Godric and I watched it a few times too. When the tears where pouring off her face, same thing was happening to me! I thought that was the most moving of scenes.
That said, DAW was amazing in the first episode. I have loved her from the first and she’s never disappointed… I love her snarky and petulant “Hello, Daddy.” when Eric and Pam bring her back to Bill’s house in season 2, the scene in Merlotte’s when she met Hoyt…. I could go on an on. So glad AB “created” her and the casting was perfect.
yep i was crying during the Godric roof scene as well, all the times ive watched it! It was definitely the most moving scene of the series so far.
Yes the roof scene!!! It was brilliant, both the conversation between G/E and G/S, it always brings me to tears, it was so heartbreaking.
OMG… the “NICE” part was, like, the funniest part of the whole episode to me. I’ve seen this thing three times now, and I STILL lose it when Bill says that. LOL
I admit I liked Beel in that scene. SM played it very well. I had a good chortle.
1. what I grossed by out was Eric not wearing shoes down there with her (later on in his track pants and robe he is). THERE I SAID IT. i kept thinking of the bucket and Royce getting torn to pieces and my head was screaming, “NOT SANITARY” hehe.
5. i think i would have been less creeped out by Bill and Olivia if not for his tone of voice, and his expression. it all seemed very calculated, the things he said to her, with no heart in his words whatsoever.
oh beeeehl.
When Eric walks toward Sookie, and his feet slap on the concrete floor, it sounds like he’s walking through something wet. Ewww! I know it looks dry, but I just can’t get past that horrible sound.
omg renee, YES.
i don’t know exactly where i got it into my head, but throughout the book series at least i imagined Eric as being very neat and tidy. book 10 with the no shoes in the house rule confirmed it. and then we see his sexy ass walking barefoot down there and my heart screamed DO NOT WANT!
so i just tried to focus on his rear end. happy thoughts. haaaaappy thoughts, lol
I agree with you whole scene DOD bother me, since the jackrabbit sex, conversation, and the place dirty, probably full of all sorts of microbes and insects, ewww.
I also think that Eric so very clean in the books, would ever have sex in that dirty basement.
But girls, why on earth should a vampire bother of filth? Come on. They slept in the ground when they didn’t have light-tight rooms and stuff.
And probably they love the smell of blood. And if you think about it, isn’t the mere fact of being BITTEN the grossest and less hygienic thing?
think about how many bacteria you can take…
if he’s got a “no shoes in the house” rule i’d say he’s a clean guy XD and its not like the vamps sleep in the dirt for funsies, is it? i see it as a last option kind of thing.
if anything shouldn’t the stench down there be an issue for someone with hyperalert sense of smell?
idunno, man. i am very laid back about TB now that i see it as AB’s epic fan fiction depicting the SVM world on acid (ie, non canon)… but i am stuck on the shoes thing, lol XD
The whole scene was a dirty trick by the mere fact that they decided to film it in that place to show that Eric is a pig.
What a way to portray that Eric is filthy in TB… Way to go Alan Ball, you’re brilliant!
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!
LOL let’s just imagine that somebody really cleaned up the basement, and has been thoroughly sanitized HAHAHA. That’s what I do and it helps getting past that part when watching that scene. Some say such things wouldn’t bother a vampire but I’m sure Yvetta wouldn’t be able to deal with the smell so I’m sure it smells just fine now haha.
It’s amazing what one of those Glade plug-in air fresheners can accomplish. The “Warm Vanilla Spring Breeze” scent totally masks the stench of rotting red-neck bits
LOL that’s some powerful stuff, plug in a couple down there and you’re good to go haha. Now when I see the DOD I’ll think of warm vanilla spring breeze lol, hey it’s better than the other options.
I thought of hospital grade bleach, too. But the place would have to be very well ventilated, and have excellent drainage, or it would now smell overpoweringly of the bleach. I can’t remember how long it’s been since Lafayette was released. Maybe there’s been time to sterilise it and dry it and sweeten it up a bit with those air fresheners Penny mentioned.
I really spend way too much time thinking about these things.
I bet the DOD has been thoroughly cleaned up… by Pam.
Plus, it has a huuge fan under the stairs. The place must smell really good now.
incense, right? lol
Cleaned up by Pam? Haha. I would imagine they had Ginger cleaning that shit up, lol.
She’s too squeamish, poor girl, and I don’t think Eric would be glad to have vomit added on blood.
Well apparently we’re all thinking about these things LOL, I agree the place probably has that strong bleach smell. It’s easier for me to watch that scene thinking this haha.
Yep Feather, that tone he uses is so so practiced. To give him some slack, it seems to be his usual glamour face/tone but I don’t trust that Vampire one bit!
This is a really brilliant recap and great insights from all the posts.
I do try hard to separate the books and the TV series but so much of AB’s version of the characters and storylines really annoys me that I often feel pretty snarky after watching TB.
It’s nice to know that there are other people out there who are critical too.
I have a question regarding the scene in the car with the “Fuck you crew”… there were 4 guys in the car besides Bill, right? Then we flash to one riding on the roof, obviously one is driving, but where are the two that were in the backseat with Bill? Bill leans forward and breaks the neck of the guy driving, and there is only one body found in the car, the driver I presume. Where are the other two and why didn’t they prevent Bill from breaking the driver’s neck? We know he didn’t kill Cooter because he shows up in subsequent episodes and there is only one body found in the car… Did I miss something obvious?
It wasn’t very obvious, but you missed what most people did–the look Bill gave Coot after staring at his crotch. How did Coot and Gus allow Bill to put on Coot’s gloves and remove the silver restraints? Three words: sexually satiated slumber. Gus took care of himself, and Bill took care of Coot.
I got the impression that Bill and Coot had sex when I watch.
Really? I saw some posts about that earlier, re-watched the scene and I did see Bill glance down, but I really didn’t read it as that… it just wasn’t obvious enough for me. And where were they when Bill crawled out of the car? Still in it?
Do you have another theory?
No, I don’t, unfortunately! I guess I’ll have to go with yours.
And I think I need to re-watch that scene a few more times too. And while I’m at it, I may as well check out the DOD scene a few more times! 
Any excuse, right? : P
Since Coot & Gus obviously aren’t dead, I think the crash must have rendered them unconscious. Recall it takes a flat screen tv to do that to a vamp. LOL!
There was something going on between them. Bill will do anything to escape from them.
Really? I didn’t get that impression at all lol. Right before the car crashes you see Coot and Don swayze(can’t remember his characters name at the moment) with their heads back and looks like they’re unconscious. I saw Bill looking at the gloves as Coot took them off because he thought of a plan right then and there and wanted to use the gloves to take off the silver chain around his neck. Maybe he glamoured them, maybe even glamoured Coot into giving him his gloves. Don Swayze was so out of it so I can see how he wouldn’t even pay attention and then he quickly glamoured Don swayze. Other than that there wasn’t enough time for much to happen.
I also wonder why the hell Bill runs right to where the wolves are. I just can’t see him running to get away and ends up right where they are. Especially since they had his blood and he can sense them so if he can’t get away considering that fact then that is just stupid lol.
I can latch on to your idea, Dee… I just had a hard time (ha) believing the sex thing… glamouring, yes, I can definitely see that happening… It still deserves a re-watch or 2 or 3 or….
Regarding Bill going to where the wolves are, I agree. I mean vamps can run at warp speed, so he could definitely outrun the wolves. Perhaps when they are in their human form he can sense their emotions and where they are, but maybe not as wolves??? Who knows.
Oooops… delete the “and when they are”…. makes no sense!
Yeah we’ll find out sunday if he specifically ran to them or was trying to run away. I just felt like Olivia telling him they’re in Mississippi made him probably realize who might be behind this. Either he has the worst luck ever or is the worst vamp for running right to where they are. I would think he can sense them after having his blood, but it’s possible that like you said maybe in wolf form this is different but I would think his senses would tell him there are 4 were’s nearby. Again, not sure if I am correct but from trailers it seems like they might be on RE’s property, if so then again what kind of luck does he have to run away but end up on RE property lol. But I’ll wait until Sunday to see if he really is on his property.
Now I don’t know if TB messed up and they had Coot and I think Gus is don swayze’s character, anyways before the car crashes their heads are tilted back on the seats and looks like they’re already unconscious and as soon as they fly off the road, their bodies just jerk to the right. But like I said, right before this happens their heads are tilted back and they are already out before the car crashes. Not sure if it was a mistake on the shows part, because nobody is going to be knocked out before a car actually crashes, or if that is supposed to give us any indication as to what Bill did to them.
The other question I have is, let’s say Bill was blowing Coot, they would still realize when he goes to snap the drivers neck. At least Gus would try to stop him I think when he leans forward to the driver if let’s say Coot was too busy enjoying what was happening lol. How do neither of them try to stop him. Only way is if while Bill is blowing Coot, Gus is too busy cheering on the guy on top of the roof and is not looking and Bill did something to Coot while he is blowing him.
Also, when the guy is on the roof you see Bill’s in the car and he is in the middle sitting up. His head would be in Coot’s lap right but you see him very clearly in the upright position.
I have to admit that any sexual activity that may or may not have taken place in that scene was NOT obvious in the least. But SOMETHING that they (purposefully, I assume) didn’t show us viewers took place to allow Bill to get the upper hand.
On my first viewing of this episode, that part left me all WTF??? HOW did Bill manage to overcome his kidnappers, put on the gloves, and get out of the silver??? Later viewings haven’t cleared that issue up. And I’m having a hard time seeing the benefit of leaving it ambiguous if it’s NOT the case that Bill did something a little scandalous to get away.
I suppose he could have glamoured them, but I’m betting that in True Blood, weres and shifters CAN’T be glamoured (Sam not being affected by Maryann is suggestive of that), because otherwise, I don’t see the point in sending werewolves to do the job. (Unless they were specifically instructed NOT to look Bill in they eyes, and just didn’t listen.) Secondly, I don’t see why Bill would have waited so long to glamour them if it was actually an option, instead of doing it right off the bat. Finally, if that’s the case, why wouldn’t they just SHOW him doing it, instead of leaving us confused and trying to come up with our own explanations?
Wierd. I’m on the fence myself, but Renee has a really good point with this… especially since they made the werewolves (and SPECIFICALLY Coot, whose favorite gloves Bill stole) SOOOOO GAY.
Coot sucking the finger of his glove, the dude playing with his tits, the mouth-to-mouth v exchange, were all pretty in-yer-face homoerotic. All of it was like a flashing neon sign that something of a ‘gay’ nature took place that allowed Bill to escape.
What I find it FASCINATING, utterly fascinating, is that so very often we cannot get a handle on just what the hell happened when it comes to any scene involving Bill. EVERYTHING with Bill is implicit and almost never explicit.
How come we didn’t see exactly how Bill escaped?
Why couldn’t we see him feeding on Olivia?
How did the Ratts trap Bill?
It goes on and on. Every scene you can think of involving Bill leaves us with questions and are chock full of anomalies. The one thing they all have in common is the fact that what we are shown on the surface can be interpreted in FAVOR of the “Hero” Bill, who never does anything wrong or questionable.
[EVERYTHING with Bill is implicit and almost never explicit.]
EXCELLENT post Sunny. Now, can we remove the mask?
Well, I’ll give you the scene with the Ratts, because SO much was off about that in the first place… but I don’t think they needed to show Bill feeding on Olivia. It was fairly obvious what happened, which is why I’m sure everyone was suprised to find out that he DIDN’T kill her.
Anyway, personally, I don’t think sucking a little dick to get away would be particularly WRONG here– if that’s ACTUALLY what the show is suggesting happened, Bill just did what he had to do, and I seriously doubt he hatched that plan because he thought Coot was really hot or anything.
It’s just interesting that they would have chosen to set it up that way in the first place, and then NOT make it obvious, when there are a dozen other less scandalous scenarios they could have used to have Bill free himself. I mean, they could have had the driver run off the road himself (dodging an animal, or whatever) and Bill could have emerged from the wreckage THAT way.
There HAS to be a larger reason for this choice, right? I don’t know. Maybe not.
MAS- Absolutely. I doubt that anyone in their right mind would think that there was anything wrong in doing whatever one had to do in order to escape a pack of violent were biker thugs. However, I do believe that Southern Gentleman Bill’s sense of shame over that type of incident might just allow him to block the episode out…hence the ambiguity of the scene.
THIS I agree with 100 percent. The only other person who would presumably know the truth is Coot– and I think it’s fairly clear that HE’S going to keep that cat as far into the bag as possible.
Not only because it means that it’s HIS fault that Bill got away, but also because it would out him.
Unreliable pov theory? We are only allowed to see what Bill does not block out of the episode?
Quite possibly. Apparently, the revelations about Bill’s true reason for relocating back to Bon Temps begin to unfold in the second or third episode. I wonder, if after the truth is revealed, we will begin to see a bit more of the *real* Bill Compton.
Haha, can we only hope that we might get some reliable pov’s or truth regarding the bullet sucking scene, Olivia, the Rattrays, any other scenes you want to know the truth about?
I suspect that the scenes that are from Bill’s POV may be unreliable. After all, the most shocking glimpse into Bill’s nature came from Lorena’s POV Chicago flashback.
There are NO characters with reliable POVs in TB. That’s the whole point.
Not Sookie who told Bud that the killer left Dawn’s door open even though we saw her knock on the screen and the door and open them both herself. Not the police who get bad information from eye witnesses. Not Eric who reapeats erroneous second hand info about when Sookie ingested Bill’s blood. Not Pam who says Stan was an pioneer and a real cowboy or Hoyt who says Sookie and Bill have the love of the century. Not Laffy who knows that he doesn’t know what’s really going on and wants to keep it that way. Not Tara whose willful ignorance concerning Maryann and Eggs nearly destroyed BT. Not Arlene who believed that Tara was the one who brought race into their conversation when she did it herself.
Renee, but all those things make sense and doesn’t change what we’ve seen. Sookie forgetting if she left the door open or not is very normal for someone after they see such a tragic thing. Believe me that when you are put in certain situations you will be surprised how you can’t remember important details. I was mugged and chased my mugger and got my stuff back from him, I was asked RIGHT after what shirt he was wearing and even though I was behind him chasing him, I had no freaking clue at all. Details you remember after an incident are blurred and you can’t even think straight. Hoyt thinking Bill and Sookie have the love of a century is just his opinion same with the rest of the things.
These opinions can give you the wrong impression but to show us things as they didn’t happen is what some of us are questioning. If this is the case then everything that happens on the show, I would wonder if it’s really happening and I would get annoyed if half the things we see are not real and unless they reveal these things to us at a later time, then there would be no reason for them to do it.
I understand when they show us only part of a scene to show us things as they didn’t happen. For example, Claudine, was there when Sookie was beating up the Rattrays. She is the one who wrapped the chain around Mack’s neck. Showing me this later would be fine, because what we saw still happened as we saw it, but there was just one part we were not aware of and that is Claudine hiding in the woods and it makes it believable that someone can hide out and we would not be able to see them.
Totally good point, Renee. I think ultimately, there’s NO “truth” on this show… just a whole bunch of opinions and inferences that will eventually get EVERYONE into a whole lot of trouble.
I think that everything we’ve seen– outside of the dreams, but even THAT’S up for debate– is accurate. But when we don’t have the whole story, which I think is often the case, we receive a wildy different impression than we would if certain other facts enter into the equation.
It’s much like history. No one is going to argue over what actually HAPPENED unless they’re batshit crazy. But different INTERPRETATIONS of those events can tell COMPLETELY different stories. Therefore history, by its very nature, is more subjective than we like to admit.
And by subjective, I mean illusory. LOL
Has AB ever been proven to use the unreliable pov in any of his programs? Does anyone know of any other instances where he has used this with his viewers?
No, Robin, not that I’m aware of, and I’ve seen pretty much all of it. He makes great use of dreams, and it’s clear that his character’s psychology and view of the world are a very prominent element of his story telling.
And at least, in American Beauty, we have an example of false impressions playing out when the Colonel thinks his son is having sex with Lester, when he’s really only selling pot to him. Turns out, the Colonel is a closet homosexual– which we learn when he propositions Lester, thinking that he’s gay after seeing what he THOUGHT was an encounter with his son.
Lester tells him he’s NOT gay, and that the Colonel didn’t see what he thought he did. This guy was MAJORLY abusive and homophobic thoughout the whole film, and at this moment, his behavior completely snaps into focus. In fact, you actually feel sorry for his mean old ass… until he comes back and MURDERS Lester in the ultimate homophobic gesture.
This theme sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
I should add that, YES, he uses unreliable POV in THAT way. But NO, it’s not the case that what you see is a complete FABRICATION– unless it is a dream, daydream, or hallucination, which is usually made fairly clear, like in True Blood– just an INCOMPLETE, and thus illusory and misleading, picture.
Renee, but all those things make sense and doesn’t change what we’ve seen.
I’m not arguing otherwise.
Sookie forgetting if she left the door open or not is very normal for someone after they see such a tragic thing. Believe me that when you are put in certain situations you will be surprised how you can’t remember important details. I was mugged and chased my mugger and got my stuff back from him, I was asked RIGHT after what shirt he was wearing and even though I was behind him chasing him, I had no freaking clue at all. Details you remember after an incident are blurred and you can’t even think straight.
You have just explained the point of that scene, to establish the unreliability of eyewitnesses in stressful situations. The point is not that there is an excuse for it. The point is that AB is bringing this into the show and depicting the Bud writing down erroneous information for his report. The report that we know Book Bill reads. So what is the point? Why waste so much screen time on this if Gran’s door being left open when she is murdered or Olivia’s door being left open if this isn’t significant?
Sunny, here’s a theory for you. The new report will detail a murder very much like Gran’s, and the people of BT will realize that a second serial killer is on the lose.
I understand when they show us only part of a scene to show us things as they didn’t happen. For example, Claudine, was there when Sookie was beating up the Rattrays. She is the one who wrapped the chain around Mack’s neck. Showing me this later would be fine, because what we saw still happened as we saw it, but there was just one part we were not aware of and that is Claudine hiding in the woods and it makes it believable that someone can hide out and we would not be able to see them.
And yet in the reality of the show. Claudine was never present. Maryann explained that what Sookie perceived to be a presence watching over her, was her own fairy power. You only think you know what happened in the story because of information you are bringing into it from the real world. IMO the show is about how we construct our own reality. SA (IMO the Goddess of Wisdom) said that everything that exists willed itself into existence and MA was only immortal because she believed herself to be. Reality is what you make of it. That is why Bill’s mask may slip, but it will never be removed. The BB’s will be able to cling to their reality, just like the women who fall in love with and marry serial killers.
Has AB ever been proven to use the unreliable pov in any of his programs? Does anyone know of any other instances where he has used this with his viewers?
IMO the unreliable narrator goes back to CH and her decision use Sookie’s limited and biased POV for the series.
The love triangle is based on Pride and Prejudice, one of CH’s faves. It employs the same technique so readers don’t know that Wickam is the cad and Darcy the stand up guy until very late in the novel. CH is exploring what would have happened if Lizzie had met Wickam first and allowed herself to be seduced by him as her younger sister did.
Yeah but to me that is as MAS said, it’s about “false impressions”.
Renee, but I agree with all of that and we were shown that Sookie was wrong about the door so we saw it as it happened and we just know she was wrong.
I think most of us here agree about the false impressions. Some scenes are left to question such as how Bill managed to get the gloves, snap the drivers neck and escape.
The only thing I’m questioning is for us to be shown something as it happens and later on told that is not how it happened at all. Such as Sookie sucking the bullets out of Eric’s chest, to tell us later that was just Bill’s POV but Sookie never said those things, then this is different. Because it’s not just the POV of Bill’s but it’s the POV we the viewers are shown and then they are just going down a road I really don’t think they want to go down. It’s one thing to show us part of a scene and let us assume what went down but to show us a whole scene and exactly as it went down and say NOPE not what happened at all, those words were never said, those actions you saw never happened are the only thing I don’t agree with. Everything else you said I do agree with. But I also think it’s very realistic because this is how real life is and we all have our own impressions of people and events. If several people are all asked about a particular event you will get different POV’s depending on what they saw or know.
We see Bill in a positive light on the show because this is how Sookie views him and all we’ve seen of him so far. Well we see a different side to him in the flashbacks.
Dee, we’re just going to have to wait and see how it plays out because I believe that just about every way the characters are manipulated, the audience is too.
AB is exploring how we construct meaning and reality and what a cop out if it’s limited to the characters on the screen. That misses the whole point of the exercise for the vast majority of viewers. I believe AB is a better teacher than that. He’s giving us a first rate experiential lesson.
Unreliable pov theory? We are only allowed to see what Bill does not block out of the episode?
Exactly! thus my lament, ‘just gimme some truth’ in season 3.
And thus my theory that Bill glamoured the audience with false memories of the Olivia incident. But, as with all falsehoods, there are always clues and anomalies, such as the clean, shiny shoes which are a metaphor for Bill’s constant self-image polishing.
The lies and obsfucations are oppressive.
I just can’t agree with you here about the Olivia incident, Sunny. I don’t think we’re seeing scenes one way when they REALLY happened another. Just my opinion, of course.
But… I DO think that all the nasty parts (e.g. that actual ACT of feeding, or whatever Bill had to do to get out of his silver chains) may be purposefully OMITTED to reflect Bill’s desire to “forget” the bad stuff. This totally makes sense to me, and still very much ties into your unreliable narrator ideas.
And just to clarify, I believe these ambiguous scenes are setting the stage for lies of OMISSION– NOT outright fabrications. Thus, Bill could say that he DIDN’T lie… he just didn’t tell the WHOLE truth.
Not quite the same as pure fabrication– but yes, equally misleading, as Bill’s image is ultimately built from inference alone. Just like Sookie saying “The Comptons have always had money…”
Sunny,
I think we’ve had this discussion before. If the BBS, the finale, and Olivia are not reality, then I think Bill has to be delusional. I think this might be an interesting possibility. S4 will introduce amnesia to the show and the way TB shows the same characters experiencing the same things (kidnapping, seduction, vampire burnings, etc.), I’m betting that Eric isn’t the only character who has memory problems in the series. One of the S3 spoilers hints that RE may be the first. When I was researching amnesia, I learned that it is quite common for people who have lost a memory to construct their own reality rather than realize that they just don’t remember. I think this may be what’s happening to Bill. Of course this begs the question of why Bill’s memories are full of holes, and that stumped me until I had a conversation with MAS a few weeks ago about syphilis being a huge problem during the Civil War.
Here’s the thing: TB is FULL of examples of mind-control techniques such as glamour/hypnosis, MA’s ‘thought manipulations’, and FoTS fanatical cult indoctrination.
As SA say’s “Blind faith can bend the laws of physics or break them entirely”.
TB IS a ‘mind game’ film:
The limo driver not only saw the plane arrive, he saw Sookie and Bill de-plane. Yet he will *remember* a ‘false’ reality, ie the plane arrived but they weren’t on it.
The frenziers only thought they saw the God Who Comes when Jason stood on a truck with Andy behind him holding up a branch.
thus the stage is set with massive foreshadowing for the audience to be pulled into a Matrix-like false reality. We can be shown an event happening one way through the eyes of a delusional character, when in ‘reality’ the events went down much differently.
FWIW, I am almost positive we will get explicit confirmation of Bill’s delusional version of the Olivia incident this season. The vampire murder of a helpless old lady cannot help but generate screamingly hysterical headlines and news reports.
Renee
It’s call lazy writing about Eric confronted Bill about Bill feeding his blood first night they met. Bill “How did you Know that? The writers don’t pay intention of what they are writing and do not do research if they made mistake about they had written in the past.
That’s your opinion. Mine differs.
I been watching soap opera for long time.
The writers are very lazy in their scrips about the past.
Writers like to rewrite history and viewers will say that did not happen that way.
Writers write for plot and forget the history of their past stories.
Sam was talking to press about Sam drinking Bill’s blood. Sam mention to writers will Sam have sex dreams about Bill and the writers totally forgotten about the sex dreams.
The actor had to ask the writers if he going to get sex dreams about any other character and totally forgotten about it.
Sunny, I agree about the examples you gave of events that happened on the show thus far, but we the audience were able to see how these characters had false impressions. The characters were fooled but not us.
NOW, I have to wait and see if TB will go down the route of showing us a whole scene and later on telling us it never happened that way at all. They need to be careful though because everything on the show will be questioned then. We’ll have people saying that Sookie is not really saying those things to Eric but instead it’s Eric’s POV, and the long list of what people won’t believe goes on. They can’t go too far with this theme on the show because it’s these type of situations that frustrate viewers and lose interest. It’s the same when shows try to turn around and say OH it was all a dream. Give us all the false impressions and mislead us all the want, that will make the show great but don’t show us things that never happened.
I agree, Dee. It’s a Pandora’s Box that I DON’T think they want to open up. That’s why I’m going with DENIAL instead of DELUSION.
This also introduces a pitch-perfect amount of dramatic irony to the narrative, and I think achieves the goals of the show better. JMO…
I agree Dee and MAS. I think they need to be really careful if they use the unreliable narrator pov. If they do use this technique, they better figure out a way to show the viewers that it is limited to one specific character, for instance, by indicating for damn sure that the character is delusional.
{Sunny, I agree about the examples you gave of events that happened on the show thus far, but we the audience were able to see how these characters had false impressions. The characters were fooled but not us.}
Again, I agree with you Dee and MAS. Honestly, like I said before, 3 years in and there has been no hint or clue that the scenes we saw didn’t happen as we saw them. You would think that by now they would let the audience in on this little secret and they haven’t.
I agree with Dee and MAS, there have only been omissions such as Claudine being there while Sookie confronts the Ratts or Bill being there while Sookie is beaten up. The scenes still happened as we saw them but there is missing information that will color our perception of the events.
At the moment, I’m suffering from a terminal case of brain weevils but he used an unreliable narrator in his play “All That I Will Ever Be.”
From a review at the DCist website:
“Ball has created Omar (Carlos Candelario), a man whose back story, nationality, and entire identity is constantly in flux, depending on what he chooses to let his lovers, his clients, and by turn, his audience, believe.
This unreliable narrator is undeniably seductive, in part due to Candelario’s presence, alternately rugged, practiced and piercingly vulnerable.”
Again, this is a case of INFERENCE and false impressions. But not actual events that are revealed to have never happened.
And can I also say that this is, like, EXACTLY what I think he’s doing with Bill? Bill’s lovers– in the form of Sookie and Lorena– are his mirrors, and his character adapts in their presence to reflect the qualities that THEY see in him.
With Sookie, it’s all goodness and light… with Lorena, it’s all darkness and evil. But again, neither reflection is accurate, because at the end of the day Bill, like all people, is far more complicated than that. There IS NO TRUE BILL– but I think in coming seasons, and starting with this one, we’ll see him beginning to explore the question of who he really is, outside of his codependent (and illusory) relationships.
I agree Mas, I understand false impressions because that is also part of everyday life too so it’s understandable and makes sense when we are shown the truth later on.
It’s when they show us an event as it’s happening and then later on try to say, that is not how it happened at all and what you saw was a lie. It works in the example Mas gave above with “American Beauty” where you only see part of something and make your own assumptions, again this is something we do all the time. As the viewer or the person in the story who makes the assumptions can’t see something as it is played out but rather see part of it or told part of it, and then later on revealed, well this is what you didn’t see happening or what you didn’t know about the situation.
MAS- I totally agree. The truth will be found within all those damning omissions.
I think it’s interesting how little the audience probably challenges what the characters tell us. At times they are willfully deceitful but other times are simply mistaken, relaying incorrect information, or merely operating on faulty assumptions.
Thanks for finding this Penny. So, we now know that he has used this technique before, based on a review, and he is quite capable of using it in TB.
[As the viewer or the person in the story who makes the assumptions can’t see something as it is played out but rather see part of it or told part of it, and then later on revealed, well this is what you didn’t see happening or what you didn’t know about the situation.]
Dee, not to change the subject, but CH uses this technique when writing her books from Sookie’s POV. So many times, CH only gives us the part of a conversation or story that Sookie is privy to, and we are left to piece together what happened on our own. And, alot of the times I think Sookie is intentionally kept in the dark by Eric (for her own good) in the books.
This is important, Robin, and I agree with you. But that’s why I’ll submit that this type of unreliable narration ISN’T taking the form of outright fabrication– which means that the events of the season finale happened exactly the way we saw them– simply OMISSION. In other words, there were unseen factors at work that, if we knew about them, might completely change our INTERPRETATION of events, but not the events themselves.
Which you could argue is, in effect, the same thing.
What we’re seeing, however, is the world through SOOKIE’S eyes– at least with respect to the images of Bill and Eric. Alan Ball and his writers are keeping from the audience what is being kept from Sookie, and the audience is following HER learning curve in a way. And I think that’s a pretty brilliant move on the show’s part.
Robin, I agree 100% and that is what I am saying. It is very different to only hear half the facts or make assumptions about things you don’t know. I am not disagreeing with that at all, infact I say this is very true. Nobody is arguing that fact.
What I am saying is it’s one thing to not know all the facts and have the wrong POV but it is very different to have all the facts and then say it’s not what happened.
Sookie never saw anything with her own eyes and then find out it’s wrong.
Like on the show for example, they showed us Bill glamoured Olivia, are they now going to turn around and say nope that never happened. They can’t turn around and tell us what we saw was never real. But on the show we see Bill escaped and we were never shown all the details of how this happened, some things were left out and yes depending on your POV different scenarios play out and that theory applies to such a thing since we don’t have all the facts. But to hear how a conversation went down and to say nope that conversation never happened it was someones imagination is what I disagree with.
It’s like this, if a man shoots someone in front of a group of people and they all saw it happening, then that is a fact nobody can argue with. They watched A shoot B. Now if we saw two man chasing eachother a group of people see this then they run around a corner and we hear gun shots, depending on your POV you will have a different scenario on what happened without seeing it for yourself.
TB does show us part of something where we think we know what happened and later find out it’s not true, yes. But they don’t show us a whole scene with dialogue and show us the viewers how it happens to only turn around and say everything you just saw is not real and never happened.
Maybe I am not explaining it well lol but it’s not the false impressions I am disagreeing with it’s ONLY the theory that what we saw with our own eyes never happened at all.
MAS, I agree with you that in MANY of these scenes information is being ommitted from the viewer (a la CH). But, for example, the bullet sucking scene is totally OOC for Sookie (“you big a-hole” “monster” and all of her actions in that scene, in general) which appears to either make it a terribly written scene or a false narrative, and then on the roof she is acting in a totally different manner towards Eric. My opinion is we certainly have a little of both going with TB.
Dee, I thought you explained it very well, and I agree with you. I don’t doubt that Bill is “blocking” things from his own memory– and thus, from Sookie’s knowledge, too– and that we will learn things about him that will alter our perception of his actions permanently… rewrite history, if you will.
But delusion and illusion are not quite the same thing. We’re not seeing a delusion, but an illusion. JMO.
Robin, I agree that the scene was a little ridiculous… but I think that Sookie’s melodramatic protests when Bill told her that Eric lied were very much for HIS benefit.
Also, I think setting up the bullet sucking scene in such a way foreshadows what Sookie’s reaction will be when she finds out that BILL wasn’t exactly forthright in getting her to drink HIS blood the first time. Only in this situation, the deception is arguably far less playful and far more nefarious.
Again, JMO.
Thanks MAS, sometimes I have a problem of over talking and not just cutting to the chase lol. I should let you explain things from now on haha.
Robin-now this is just my opinion but Sookie’s reaction to the bullet sucking incident was a normal reaction for someone whose boyfriend was standing there and saw what happened. Same way I felt at Fangtasia when she said “no it’s not like that at all” when she notices Eric. Maybe because I remember in past relationships doing the same, and then trying to deny it lol. You overact and try to throw your bf off so he doesn’t get the wrong idea and make him think you hate the person or just dislike them very much but Sookie gives the impression she hates Eric. Which is why we’ll see when Sookie is alone with Eric, she asks very calmly how can he do something so selfless and forgot what else she says and then do something so disgusting and cruel. Here she does make sure to point out to Eric how he also did a good thing and gives him credit for it and doesn’t show the same hate towards him the way she does when Bill is around.
I just understand her game, i’ve been there lol.
Right, Dee. I don’t think any of the characters (specifically Bill and Sookie) are delusional… they’re just in denial.
Delusion is seeing things that aren’t really there. Denial is willfully ignoring the facts. It’s an important difference.
Dee, I completely understood what you were trying to explain. I agree with both you and MAS on omission of information in TB scenes, this show is full of it, leaving the viewers to piece together what they think happened.
BUT, MAS, look at the rest of the bullet sucking scene. Was Sookie ever squeemish about drinking Bill’s blood? And, Sookie acts as if she has never done or even considered drinking blood when Eric asks her to suck the bullet out, and then she spits the bullet and blood out like she is man spitting out watermelon seeds. The whole scene is just strange, Sookie is not in character AT ALL.
{BUT, MAS, look at the rest of the bullet sucking scene. Was Sookie ever squeemish about drinking Bill’s blood?}
Yeah but Robin, it’s one thing to drink your BF blood but another thing entirely to drink a strangers blood. Why WOULD she not be grossed out about that. Look, I hated that scene too but I agree with Dee and MAS on this one.
[Sookie’s reaction to the bullet sucking incident was a normal reaction for someone whose boyfriend was standing there and saw what happened. Same way I felt at Fangtasia when she said “no it’s not like that at all” when she notices Eric. Maybe because I remember in past relationships doing the same, and then trying to deny it lol. You overact and try to throw your bf off so he doesn’t get the wrong idea and make him think you hate the person or just dislike them very much but Sookie gives the impression she hates Eric]
Nice explanation and totally makes sense, Dee. I guess I also question how calmly Bill was portrayed in this scene, knowing his temper and how controlling he is. IDK, Eric didn’t seemed concerned about Godric, or vice versa, after the explosion either.
That’s really interesting penny. Thanks for digging that up.
Mental note to look into that some more.
Renee, but of course the audience is manipulated too. Majority of viewers haven’t read the books so most think Bill is good and Eric is just plain evil. AB has already given the audience false impressions.
What I am trying to understand is do you think that the whole scene we saw of Bill glamouring Olivia never happened?
Again, I don’t think it’s coming across what I am saying. I AM agreeing with you about false impressions and characters POV. I just don’t agree with the theory that something we saw happened just never happened at all. I get the rest of it, and understand characters false impressions and how it gives the viewers the wrong impressions, faulty Narrator POV I agree with too but not in all circumstances that have been mentioned. I have said in every post that I agree with these statements, I just want to know if what you all are saying is events such as olivia glamoured, Sookie yelling at Eric after bullet incident never happened as we saw or heard
I do think it’s possible if Bill is delusional because he was suffering from the advanced effects of syphilis when Lorena turned him.
I’ve already mentioned it, but I am really struck by the similarities between Olivia and Gran and the open doors. A pattern might be developing here.
I’m of the opinion that AB is going to go all the way and reveal Bill to be a serial killer. Arlene’s line about who hasn’t fallen in love with one was not a throw away, and Bill killing to protect Sookie does not a serial killer make.
Luke thought the worst sin it was having sex with a vampire dude, but I’d have to put killing helpless little old ladies for your own convenience near the top.
{Thanks MAS, sometimes I have a problem of over talking and not just cutting to the chase lol. I should let you explain things from now on haha.}
Dee, I don’t think this is true at all! I think you come across very well and always make your point known. I love it when you post your opinions – I love how thorough you are in explaining them which always draws your points home for me. Totally OT but wanted to add that in. lol
VL-awwww thank you, very sweet.
{I do think it’s possible if Bill is delusional because he was suffering from the advanced effects of syphilis when Lorena turned him. }
But Renee, how can you say this if there has been nothing even remotely shown on this show to infer this? Sorry, I’m not arguing with you, I’m just trying to understand where you are drawing this conclusion from…
What can I say? I’ve drunk Sunny’s cool aid, and I’m trying to come up with a reason Bill would be delusional.
There are a few things from the show that were stressed with dialogue or camera shots that leads me to suspect a lot has happened that the audience isn’t privy to.
*Tina’s missing head–Sookie and Andy had a long discussion about it
*Mack’s ring–as Sunny said, it got almost as much camera time as Mack did
*Sookie’s error about Dawn’s open door, the error going in the police report, Gran and Oliva’s open doors
I also think Luke’s talking about the worst kind of sin is important as is Arlene talking about everyone falling in love with serial killers. For that to have any meaning then Bill has to be a serial killer in the present, otherwise it’s a show about how a serial killer reformed by Sookie’s love and the BBs are correct in their interpretation of Bill.
Ah… but Eggs wasn’t REALLY a serial killer because it wasn’t really HIM. As Tara said, she doesn’t care WHAT he confessed to, he ain’t responsible for shit. Because, you know, he was under MARYANN’S influence.
Right???
I think the truth is hardly as clear as what EITHER woman was claiming. And I think these conflicting comments are foreshadowing a future dialogue about BILL, and the extent of his own responsibility for his past.
That could be MAS, but Eggs is a really interesting case because MA didn’t really change anyone’s true character, she just lowered their inhibitions and channeled their energy. She couldn’t make Tara and Eggs have sex, all she could do was set the stage and hope for the best.
Other than dealing and using drugs, we don’t know what Eggs’s crimes were or what he did without getting caught. All we know is was trying to start fresh. Sound familiar?
Karl talks a lot of MA choosing gifted individuals who haven’t achieved their potential. IMO if Eggs was not a murderer before MA met him, he certainly had the potential to become one.
I agree Renee… just like Bill is wrong to blame his past actions ENTIRELY on Lorena. He has to own his responsibility for them, even if he WAS under her influence, just like Eggs did.
Making excuses for him (a la TARA) is just enabling. And denial. It’s useless and damaging.
Personally, I predict we might see a parallel version of this very conversation regarding BILL– only with Tara in Arlene’s role, and Sookie in Tara’s. Just a hunch.
{*Tina’s missing head–Sookie and Andy had a long discussion about it
*Mack’s ring–as Sunny said, it got almost as much camera time as Mack did
*Sookie’s error about Dawn’s open door, the error going in the police report, Gran and Oliva’s open doors}
I understand but it has already been established that Renee was responsible for Tina and for Dawn and Gran. There has been absolutely no hints or clues since then that prove otherwise. If this were not the case, we would have been shown this in S2 and we weren’t. I know that you guys disagree and I respect that. I could be wrong and if so, we’ll see how things go in S3. I guess my point here is this: I understand that many people don’t like Bill but let’s not let this color the perception of events simply because of dislike for the character. We cannot attribute every misdeed to Bill. Bill has enough that he is actually accountable for: being sent by the Queen to acquire Sookie (which there have been numerous clues of), killing UB, the Chicago couple, and draining a poor sickly old lady. I will add that possibly letting the Ratts beat up Sookie as well since Eric questioned Bill giving blood to Sookie the “first” night they met. This leads me to believe they are going to revisit those events in S3 or at some point.
Re Mack’s ring: I agree they focused on it but I think (and I could be wrong) this will show some connection to Dallas and PL9.
VL there haven’t been any clues since then but Tina’s head and the open door are timebombs just waiting for the right time to go off.
Tina’s head wasn’t in Rene’s stuff. IMO goes to Bill’s penchant for taking souvenirs:
Lorena’s necklace, the robe, the cop’s gun, Mack’s ring, Coot’s gloves, and Stanley’s shirt
I cannot believe that Arlene and Tara are the only ones at Merlotte’s who have fallen in love with serial killers, and like I said, reformed serial killers don’t count. S1 AB made a big deal of Bill killing the same number of people as Rene. Was he equating a psycho killer with a hero? If Bill is only killing to protect Sookie, (albeit using poor judgment in the case of UB), what is the point?
{Tina’s head wasn’t in Rene’s stuff. IMO goes to Bill’s penchant for taking souvenirs:
Lorena’s necklace, the robe, the cop’s gun, Mack’s ring, Coot’s gloves, and Stanley’s shirt}
How do we know that Tina’s head wasn’t in Rene’s stuff? Also, maybe he tossed it, who knows? As for Bill taking souvenirs:
the necklace: he gave to Lorena as a “gift”.
the robe: we don’t know where he got it because it was never addressed/shown on the show. Yes, he definitely could have taken it from one of his victims. Sure! The same why he and Lorena stole their money and lived in their houses. This is what they did. Could be a souvenir as well, not arguing there. However, the reason serial killers take souvenirs is to be able to relive their crimes. We really haven’t seen that aspect of Bill on the show.
Macks’ ring: there has been NOTHING on the show to infer that Bill took this ring.
Coot’s gloves: this wasn’t a souvenir. He took the gloves in order to be able to remove the silver chains. Apparently he tossed them because we don’t see him wearing them again.
Stanley’s shirt: he took this so that he wouldn’t have to be shirtless. Anyone here would have done the same. Again, a souvenir is taken in order to relive the crime. I haven’t seen that from Bill yet. As a matter of fact, he isn’t even the one that has the flashback to the Chicago couple – Lorena is.
Again, I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m just saying that we can’t blame Bill for things with no basis (so far) on the show. I mean I guess we can (lol) but I just don’t see why we would when there is already so much that he is truly actually accountable for.
As far as Bill being a serial killer – yes, all vampires are in essence serial killers. But I think Dee already covered that in another post. lol Anyhoo, my point is that I haven’t seen anything that leads to me to believe (yet) that all of these other deeds are attributable to Bill.
VL, I think we’ll just have to leave this conversation until there is new information, but we know that Tina’s head wasn’t in Rene’s box secrets the kids found in the garage. If the head was just missing, I would let it drop, but Andy and Sookie had a pretty involved conversation about it and writers don’t waste time on things like that if they aren’t significant.
I agree that Bill DID kill as many people as Rene in season one, and that there was a reason for that.
But I think it’s to demonstrate how easily we can dismiss a behavior in one person that we just as easily condemn in another. Is this hypocrisy… or just being fair? I think it can go either way.
Anyway does Bill’s season one body count mean that he is just as “bad” as Rene? Maybe… maybe not. Eggs, as Arlene pointed out, was also a “serial killer”… but I don’t think we would place him in the same category as Rene even if we’re not going to absolve him as completely as Tara did.
Facts are stubborn things. But how you choose to interpret them– for better or worse– can make all the difference.
VL, also I don’t think that all vampires are serial killers. Eric and Godric followed armies around so they could feed after the battles.
MAS, killing for self-defense or to protect the life of someone else cannot be equated with murder, no matter what the body count. The parallel between Rene and Bill only makes sense to me if Bill is murdering people deliberately like he did with UB. If he is not, then the BBs are correct and Bill is a reformed serial killer. I cannot imagine that is where AB is going with Bill’s character.
but I don’t think they needed to show Bill feeding on Olivia.
Why not? If they can show Eric ripping into Royce and feeding on a blood hooker, what could be the rationalization for NOT showing Bill feeding on a frail old lady hooked to an oxygen tank?
The only purpose NOT showing it served was to preserve Bill’s ‘clean’ and ‘polished’ image.
It was fairly obvious what happened,
I don’t think it was obvious at all, starting with Bill’s ‘clean’ and ‘polished’ shoes. Not merely ‘scrubbed’ clean of dirt mind you, but polished to a high shine.
which is why I’m sure everyone was suprised to find out that he DIDN’T kill her.
I keep remembering my grandmother in the last years of her life. Her skin was tissue-paper thin and the merest scratch caused profuse bleeding.
Did Bill clean the blood off Olivia after attacking her like a deadly striking cobra? Did he heal her fang marks?
The dog that didn’t bark..no fangs, no blood. Bill is such a thoughtful attacker of old women.
MAS, I think you make an excellent point that AB shows us very little of Bill (and most of that which we see puts him in very good light as opposed to what is shown of Eric) which makes me curious as to why that is. I think the Smallwood/Coot/Olivia scenes show us that Bill is very talented at discerning how *best* to use people and has no compunction about doing so, but we don’t actually know how far he’s willing to go since we don’t see everything, and the viewer can fill in the blanks, according to her personal preference. This also has implications I think as to why he was selected for his “mission” as opposed to Eric. I’ve got to think at some point we see Bill in a far harsher light and it will shock some viewers much more than others.
Since AB has heralded this season to be about identity, I hope we know more about Bill (and Eric) by the end of it. If we don’t, I’ll be very disappointed.
I wonder if that’s because those are things that Bill refuses to acknowledge within himself? In the past two seasons, he’s been able to lie, cheat, steal, and kill with impunity because of ability to compartmentalize his actions. He’s so heavily invested in his quaint mid-Victorian Southern Gentleman facade that he tries to mentally repress any action that conflicts with the antiquated values he claims to profess.
Regardless of how one views Bill Compton, (delusional sociopath or victim of his vampiric nature) that fact remains that he is in deep denial about who and what he truly is.
I wonder if that’s because those are things that Bill refuses to acknowledge within himself?
Of course! None of us would be particularly bothered by Bill blowing Coot to get away, but such an act conflicts with HIS image of himself.
Thus, we didn’t get to see it.
The only thing I have a problem with is that you see while the guy is on the roof, Bill, is sitting up straight in the backseat. Then seconds later he snaps the drivers neck. If you pause it, you can see the 3 in the back and doesn’t look like any of that is going on.
Bill might have been doing…er, “other things”..that would have allowed him to remain sitting up. After all, he’s a really handy guy
I was going to say well unless he went skiing in the back seat which would make more sense. That’s how he can get both of them at once lol.
This is how I see it going down. Bill blew Coot and got the gloves. Gus pleasured himself. They fell asleep allowing Bill to don the gloves and remove the chains. The next time we see the car with the guy on the roof there is a crotch shot, alluding to what has taken place inside the car.
You can see three figures in the back seat. At this point Coot and Gus would be deep in a drug and sex induced sleep; Bill would be working himself out of his chains.
When Bill snaps the drivers neck and the car swerves, Coot and Gus are still asleep, so we see their totally relaxed unconscious bodies react naturally to the force exerted; their heads flop down and their bodies fall to the right. The car rolls two and a half times. Coot and Gus never regain consciousness, so they are probably injured in the crash.
I agree with you and I think it went down that way too.
Excellent points, MAS and Renee.
I tend to agree with the idea that we are more likely receive information that will change the way we see things. I think we are too far into things already to head down the road of outright fabrications now. It throws open the gates on a whole big mess, not the least of which is an audience that will no longer be willing to believe ANYTHING it is seeing and who will quickly lose interest.
But this has always been my bugbear with these theories. I think they make sense from a story POV, but when I factor in everything else – the length of time between seasons and the fact that we still have not seen any payoff – I just can’t get past that. There were people all over facebook after episode 1 aired who had completely forgotten about the connection between blood and sex dreams and were completely WTF at the Bill/Sam dream. Nine months is a long time and I just feel these techniques are more likely to come off in movies rather than a series with a format such as this.
Someone also mentioned that questioning the bounds of reality will then extend to every other character and event as well once this concept is revealed. I agree. On the balance of probabilities I think it is far more likely we’ll just find out we didn’t know everything (just like Sookie), and that like MAS says, Bill’s lies will be lies of omission. Which, by the way, ties in fairly closely to book Bill’s behaviour – he was secretive, and highly selective about what he told Sookie but he never really told her bare-faced lies. His big betrayal was, essentially, just one BIG lie of omission.
Most of his lies are by omission, but some of Bills lies have been outright:
1) He said he wasnt keeping anything else from Sookie after she found out about Jessica, but then later that episode she found out about him murdering Uncle Bartlett
2)He told her his blood would increase her libido, and left out everything else
3)He told her he knew nothing about Lafayette being at Fangtasia, which cant be proved but i think hes the one who snatched him, otherwise why not show it?
4) He lied to Hadley and said Gran was doing good even though she had been murdered
Thats all i can think of right now, but there are many other lies of omission in play, all of which directly affect Sookie in some way. Bill lies constantly.
Bill does sometimes tell bare faced lies, but mostly, Bill’s pattern of lying is to just leave shit out. The most IMPORTANT shit, usually.
And the stuff about the blood does fall squarely into the lies of omission category. What came out of his mouth wasn’t technically a lie – but it certainly wasn’t the full truth either.
Yeah Bills a tricky little sucker isnt he lol
MAS- I’m on board with the “Bill blew the nasty biker werewolf” theory. Why else would they show the FU crew (heavily sexed up on V) snowballing blood, playing their nipples, and sucking on the blood soaked glove? The split second look of smoldering seduction that Bill gives Coot is remarkably similar to the one he later gives Sam in the dream sequence.
I’m sure that in typical Bill Compton style, he said something to the effect of “Mr. Coot, will you do me the honor of allowing me to orally copulate with you?” While we will probably never get a flashback confirming our theories, I’m fairly certain the writers were hinting that, as hard as it is to swallow, Bill had to do something he might have found distasteful in order to escape
LMAO! Surely, Mr.Compton would not have done anything untoward these fine gentleman, he most definitely asked Coot politely to stimulate his manhood.
I noticed watching it again, when the Weres are snowballing that Bill’s head almost dips into Coots lap, so he prob noticed it then and the formulation of the plan clicked on a few seconds later when he glances down again.
Sunny is so right. I really hate that this is implied, why can’t Bill ever do anything straightforward?why is there always room for interpretation? We’ve only ever seen Bill scream Sookie or abuse Jessica. Seriously, I wouldn’t even mind if he did something good so long as we see it.
Bwhahaha! Penny gets today’s award for the most blowjob puns in one sentence!
Ohh, that is too funny, I completely missed it earlier!
I know…I said quite a mouthful. As much as I hate to blow off the serious discussion about what went down, I couldn’t resist a few bad puns. Perhaps I had better quit while I’m a head.
Penny, you crack me up!
[And I’m having a hard time seeing the benefit of leaving it ambiguous if it’s NOT the case that Bill did something a little scandalous to get away.]
EXACTLY. I think Renee may have something there with her theory. This scene was designed to get viewers to think about what Bill could have possibly done to get away, and it certainly is suggestive that something could have taken place between Bill and Coot in attempt for him to escape.
{I suppose he could have glamoured them, but I’m betting that in True Blood, weres and shifters CAN’T be glamoured (Sam not being affected by Maryann is suggestive of that), because otherwise, I don’t see the point in sending werewolves to do the job.}
Yeah, I agree with this. I don’t think Were’s can be glamoured either which would make sense to me considering that they are Supes. I don’t believe they can be in the books either since I don’t believe I’ve ever read that a Were (or any other Supe in the book) was glamoured. I remember Eric glamouring those guys in the gas station but they were only human. I also don’t believe that Bill engaged in any type of sexual activity with anyone in that car. lol I agree with Dee’s initial assessment of what went down. It also looked to me that the Were’s in the back seat were passed out due to the drug use. It looked like they were in a drug induced stupor.
Let’s see how Coot and Bill react to each other when they face off in beginning of episode 2 lol. Maybe Coot will mention what went down or give us a clue lol.
I was totally going to say the same thing, Dee! If this is what really happened, I guarantee that there will be little clues peppered about. Though Coot will never actually SAY anything explicit, lest he out HIMSELF in the process.
Yeah, I doubt Coot would come out and say it but let’s pay attention to how they react to each other. Let me say that I can’t wait for this scene because I saw the clip when they first face off and DAMN Coot looks DAMN FINE in this scene.
I wonder what Russell will say if Coot told him how Bill got way?
I can’t see Coot telling anybody that he got drug up and had sex with Bill would make him idiot.
“Maybe Coot will mention what went down”
Bill, I suspect.
LOL I highly doubt there will be a reference to it because it never happened. At least that’s in my opinion. Honestly, they were f****ked up the way that Amy and Jason used to get after doing V. They would fall into a stupor and start hallucinating – that’s what it looked like to me when I watched that scene. That’s why you should never send V addicts to kidnap a vampire! lol I’m sure they weren’t supposed to drink from him but just couldn’t help themselves. That’s how Bill was able to get away – simply because the Were’s were stupid.
Dee, I’m thinking that maybe Bill thought he would run to Russell’s for help which is maybe how he ended up on this property? But more than likely the Were’s were tracking him which is how they were able to find him. I think there were more than the Guys in the car looking for him which is why we see Russell in his hunting outfit.
I’m sorry Guys, but I also don’t believe in the unreliable narrator POV. I think the scenes happened just the way they are shown. I only say this because it’s been 3 years now and there has been no hint/mention/or clue to let us (the audience) know that’s what’s happening. I agree with the points that Dee made earlier.
I didn’t think about the fact that he might go to RE for help.
I do believe that many if not most of the characters have false impressions and what we hear them think about others or their POV on how something went down is questionable but to show us the viewers something that happened only later on to say that is not what happened at all, well I just hope they don’t go down that route.
IF they do the Rattrays incident then that is fine because like I said before, everything still happened as we saw it but there were just some things we were not aware of. Which actually we already know for a fact this to be true since we know Claudine was there and Bill even saw her but we the viewers just weren’t shown that.
Yeah, I agree with you Dee about the false impressions, etc. I just want to add about the Guys in the back seat – they were already passed out which is why Bill didn’t need to kill them and is how he was able to steal the gloves from Coot. That’s why he only needed to kill the one man that was still conscious and also explains why the driver was still talking to the Guys in the back seat.