Just Sayin’
August 5, 2010 in 3.07 Hitting the Ground, Bill, Season 1, Sookie Stackhouse, True Blood
A number of us in the forum have been discussing the “truck scene” in this week’s episode. This is unsurprising, since the book version which sees Sookie fed on and raped by Bill is one of the most debated scenes of the series.
Our interest in the True Blood version has been piqued not by the rights, wrongs and justifications for his attack on Sookie, however. It’s Bill’s reaction after the dust settles that really has us talking.
It started with a criticism of what appeared to be yet another example of plot driven writing – Bill’s inexplicable lapses in and out of conciousness, and violent swinging between incoherence and weakness, super-strength and cunning from the opening scene of this episode.
I’m not going to explore this here, I’ll leave that for you to ponder.
Towards the end of the truck scene, Alcide opens the rear doors and Bill once again snaps to attention. He takes in the chaos: a mauled and comatose Sookie, and a Tara who looks like she is ready to cut him up into bite-sized chucks and barbeque him right there on the side of the highway. Bill starts making a show of concern, but Tara – who is having NO more of his shit today – kicks his ass to the kerb before she and Alcide leave him there to fry.
We immediately brace ourselves for the next shot – which will SURELY involve some version of Bill’s Ah Am Tortured Vampiah Face, and most likely a bit of drop-to-the-knees wailing and gnashing of fangs.
Instead, what we got was this.
Far from anguished and guilt-ridden, the second Alcide and Tara were out of sight – emo vampire is gone. Bill expresses a mild and fleeting interest in the condition of his NOT burning skin, before pausing in the midst of what you would expect to be a completely MIND BLOWING discovery for a vampire to stare after the disappearing van with his miracle inside.
“DAMN!”, he says. As if he’d just stepped in a pile of dog shit.
Damn?!?
REALLY, Bill?
After apparently just realising that you may have killed your “Miracle”, you were left for dead in the blazing sun. “Damn” is all you got?
Where’s the theatrical freak-out we’ve come to expect from Bon Temps’ resident drama queen?
Suffice to say, Bill’s apparent lack of concern when no one was there to see it at both Sookie’s dire predicament, and his own impromptu sunbathing session raises some serious red flags.
Everything about this scene was off, and it was off for a reason. This is coming from yours truly – with a self-proclaimed hair trigger when it comes to calling bad writing and directorial failures on this show.
We have speculated here that Sophie-Anne’s interest in Sookie extends beyond her telepathy, since that would be too predictable for book readers…and anyone else who has ever googled “Bill Compton”. There has to be a twist coming, with the most popular theory around these parts being that everyone is after Sookie because her fairy blood gives vampires the ability to walk in daylight.
[See this post back in May, containing Alan Ball's comments on Sophie Anne's daywalking obsession in season 3 for background.]
This episode seemed to lend some weight to our theory. We saw Bill able to stand out in the sun after ingesting an extra generous helping of Sookie juice, and we also took a heavy hint through the introduction of Claudine that Sookie is part fae. Sookie having no blood type? Another huge hint that there is something very special about the blood of our favourite waitress.
So bearing these few things in mind let’s take a nostalgic look behind us, shall we?
Episode 6 – Cold Ground
Bill awakens from his slumber to find his Sookie sense beeping. He imagines she is being strangled by Gran’s killer – and is forced to lay in his hidey-hole, literally watching the clock until the sun finally sets. He immediately shoots out of his house to save her–but not one second before that nasty sun is DOWN.
We even get a few shots of the sky outside to emphasise this point. Just in case we missed it.
Episode 8 – The Fourth Man in the Fire
Bill and Sookie have what appears to be a sweet post-coital conversation during which Bill is absently stroking the very top of Sookie’s non-pointy fairy ear.
As his finger moves rhythmically back and forth, Bill whispers sweet nothings at his beloved:
S: Don’t it [sex] get old? For you, I mean. You’ve been doin’ it for over a hundred years. Doesn’t it get predictable?
B: Not with you it doesn’t. You’re entirely different. And the beauty and the tragedy of it is that you don’t know just how different you are.
An obvious reference to her telepathic abilities? Maybe, but Sookie already knows about that. A less obvious reference to her fae bloodline? It sure made the bookies think they were all up on this scene, and it seemed even more likely that Bill was talking about fairies, given his flagrant molestation of the top of Sookie’s ear as he spoke.
But Bill doesn’t KNOW about Sookie’s unusual family line…does he?
Jumping ahead to the season 1 finale, Crispy Bill stupidly (or so we thought) runs out into the daylight to save Sookie from Rene:
At the time, we scoffed and howled. It seemed completely ludicrous, even for Bill, to think he could ever be of any help to Sookie while he was slowly roasting away in the sun. It didn’t make any sense at all. At least not to those of us watching with our brains ON and our Bill boners OFF.
“He is a VAMPIRE. What was he even THINKING!” we wailed.
But something changed between the first time he wanted to save her in Episode 6 and couldn’t – and his kamikaze run in the sun in Episode 12. And that something is starting to look very important and interesting. In between these two events, he started drinking her blood.
Fast forward again to season 2.09, and this memorable scene.
On forums everywhere, long and bitter complaints could be found on the inconsistencies between the way Bill burned in season 1, and the way Godric burned in season 2. Godric never had a drop of Sookie’s blood. In fact, we know that The Most Reverend Ghandi Vampire on a hunger strike didn’t have ANYONE’S blood, fairy or otherwise, for at least a few days before he died.
Hands up who was never really satisfied with the “older vampires burn faster” explanation? And we never did get a reason as to why they burn BLUE. Bill’s slow roast and Godric’s technicolor blue flames seemed completely at odds.
Well they would be – unless the way Godric burned is the way vampires usually burn. And it was BILL’S burning that was in fact the anomaly.
POST-FINALE UPDATE September 2010
Russell Edgington, after attempting to daywalk. What do Crispy Russell and Crispy Bill have in common, that Godric does not? Both had just imbibed a generous helping of Sookie juice.
Instead of being sent to secure Sookie for her telepathy, was Bill sent to “procure” Sookie for the daywalking-obsessed Sophie Anne (or another “Authority”) in hopes of exploiting the special qualities of her blood? And more importantly, has Bill known about “how special she is” and what her blood can do since he met her? How far back does this go, considering Bill has a dossier on Sookie dating back to her childhood? Did he run out in the sun in season 1 already knowing that he would take a long time to die?
It sure takes the romantic shine off that heroic little deed, doesn’t it?
This may well be at least part of the twist we’ve been expecting on the Sophie-Anne/telepathy mission from the books.
And suddenly, Bill’s odd reaction in the last episode doesn’t seem quite so strange or out of character any more.
Just sayin’.
This is VERY interesting!! Very thorough, and I will need to read it again a few times and think a bit to get a handle on this.
I’m starting to lean against the day-walking a little. I felt sure about it, but a pretty objective person I watched Ep. 7 with thought that Bill could tolerate the sun for a moment bc he had just fed, and fed hard. Bill practically drained her, and it wasn’t a minute before he started smoking. Thirty seconds of sunshine doesn’t seem worth all the procurement trouble. Could he stay in the sun, smoking but not burning, and we didn’t see it? I’m confused. Does Sophie Anne need to sacrifice her fairy blood a la MaryAnn, or eat her heart, or something extreme like that?
My first reaction the “Damn,” was that it was due to the daytime, not what he did or that he lost his target/True Love. I really have no clue what was up with that!
Looking forward to seeing everyone’s thoughts on this!
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Per the episode #33 description, “Awakening from a slumber, Bill uncovers the truth about Sookie’s true identity,” leads me to think he doesn’t know at this point, but it could be very misleading.
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The key is that “uncover” and “discover” don’t necessarily have the same meaning…
After reading this again, I am sure that Bill SHOULD know what Sookie is, and if he doesn’t he is the worst procurer ever and I don’t know how he could hold that job for thirty years.
At this point both the telepathy and microwave fingers have been pretty clearly established as fae traits in the TB world. Bill knows Sookie has both. Are we supposed to believe that he knows what a maenad is, but doesn’t know shit about fairies, the most delectable vampire prey?
Even if he didn’t know before, you’d think he’d do a little research while working on his extensive dossier, esp. with him being suspicious of Sookie’s supe-like qualities that he is allegedly unfamiliar with. Maybe the fae are super-secret and rarely enter the real-world realm, Russell didn’t connect Sookie with them, but how did Sophie Ann know? I am very confused.
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True identity might not mean her fairy blood, maybe it’s referring to her relationship to Niall? Isn’t he the Tony Soprano of the fairy realm? In which case, she’d sort of be a fairy princess? Idk, they seem to be making everyone royalty in TB!
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Helen you might be on to something because…..
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At the Comic Con panel, when Charlaine said was asked which character she was looking forward to meeting she out of the blue said she was looking forward to meeting Sookies GGGrandfather! I would have thought she’d say Quinn or Amelia….some other major character.
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I too thought Bill’s reaction was way to nonchalant for what just happened to Sookie. But what’s even stranger is the way vampire burnings have been shown on this show. You’re theory about how Bill ingesting Sookie’s blood makes his burning different is definitely a possibility. What that made me think of were those pictures of them shooting the finale.
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In the pictures, Eric and Russell has the same kind of burns as Bill, so that makes me wonder if they had drank from Sookie as well. Or it could be from something else entirely.
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So from those pictures perhaps….
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In the description that says “Eric gives RE the vampire’s dream,” somehow he gets Sookie to donate because, both of them are crispy and none of us could figure that out since RE is older than Godric and shouldn’t be crispy, but in their mythology should have gone up in flame.
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Based on the pictures for the finale could it be possible that the amount of Blood Eric got off Hadley could give him some day-walking abilities???? maybe the older they are the more the effect of the fae-ness in the blood works?? I’m reaching there, but i really hate the idea that Eric will feed on Sookie just yet. If he does get to have some of her blood then i hope it parallels Sookie offering Bill her blood. I can see AB making Eric feeding off her by force… wasn’t one of the episode synopses state that Sookie doesn’t want to be ‘crack’ for vampires anymore??? Doesn’t that lend to the believe that she will be forcibly feed on????
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It is a worry but I’m hoping if he does have it
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That she gives it voluntarily or your right if Hadley has the same blood (though why, then would SA need Sookies, she could volunteer it.
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Don’t forget that Russell is, as MAS pointed out somewhere here, a MUCH bigger threat to Sookie than Bill.
Think TB Russell = Book Felipe de Castro.
Except I think Russell is even worse.
It’s entirely possible that Sookie could have an epiphany in which she decides No More Vampires – this fits very well with her position at the end of Club Dead – but she recognises that Russell is too big of a threat to her and must be taken down first, whether she wants to deal with that or not.
She joins forces with Eric (blood and trust spoiler from a few weeks ago?) to get rid of Russell, perhaps allowing Russell and Eric to feed from her, knowing that Eric has plans for Russell once he actually gets him outside. After Russell is taken care of, she could then banish Eric and Bill from her life (temporarily…obviously
I could feel this.
I am SOOOO hoping you’re right about this, SVB.
Of course, this is presupposing a Sookie who actually uses her brain for five minutes. And has some sort of self preservation instinct.
Which, at this point is presupposing ALOT.
In Sookie we trust…. i think we are doomed!!!!
But i love the RE = FdC… AB is really working all the books together. I hope you are right SVB
Maybe you need the water to have Sookie’s powers? Jason and Hadley have never had the magic water, and it seemed like they want us to know Sookie has had it before.
*mind is blown*
Dude, this makes so much sense! And while I don’t think they wanted Sookie for her blood specifically, perhaps because they knew she had little fae in her, maybe they want her because they hope they will be able to find pure faeires though her, or is that reaching? Maybe they wouldn’t have to drain one as much as they do Sookie and be able to walk in the sun.
Does this also put a double meaning on QSA telling Eric not to drink from Sookie? Did she not want him to find out?
I’m wondering if they aren’t going with Sookie having much more fae in her than she did in the books. I’m not feeling those glowy finger powers from a 1/8 fairy.
Perhaps Jason’s comments about her being born at home, never having been sick and never been in a hospital might not just be about why no one had noticed she didn’t have a blood type. Perhaps it’s planting an explanation for why Sookie has made it to 27 years old and no one (including her) has worked out that she is less human than supe.
Well, Bill nearly drained her and he was already starting to smoke. I agree that they’re probably going to make her have more. Or… Claudine said that Sookie could become like them one day. Are they making it so that Sookie can become full fae? Either way, I still hate the glow hands.
Hate the glow hands too. I suspect she is going to be 1/4 fae, but who knows. This is interesting, very interesting…. and it makes sense of a lot of things. Thanks for walking us through it SVB!
………and speaking of the blood; didn’t Jason say he was A/B Negative, and according to Eric telling Godric that he got him an “A/B Negative human; quite rare” mean anything or am I just reaching……come to think of it, with these band of writers it probably doesn’t mean anything….just wanting to have our heads explode!
I don’t think that was mere coincidence Jason had the exact blood type mentioned as being very rare in season 2. Good catch!
I noticed Jason AB negative blood being Godric’s preference also…..
Lots to think about! Great post.
SVB-I am so annoyed I didn’t save the article but read somewhere recently where they were talking about Sookie being fae on the show and said she is 1/2 fae. Not sure if it was a mistake in the article or if she really will be 1/2 fae on the show, but I think with her glowy hands and no blood type, it’s quite possible.
QSA has to definitely be interested in Sookie being fae and not a telepath. Reason I think so even more now(already believed it) or should say convinced now is because when Eric asked QSA “what is your interest in Sookie Stackhouse” and then Hadley says “I’ll tell you” she tells Eric that Sookie is a fairy. This was confirmed in the “inside the episode” video. They didn’t say fairy but they said that Hadley told Eric what Sookie is. Since the question was what QSA’s interest in her is and that was Hadley’s response, it has to be it. Otherwise, she would say her telepathic abilities or whatever else.
I find it hard to believe Bill wouldn’t have any knowledge of this but the whole “waking from a slumber to uncover Sookie’s true identity” part is throwing me off. I know how they use words to throw us off or phrase things in a way to do so, but we don’t know yet so hard to say if this is one of those moments.
There is also his line to Eric “she must be protected” so makes me wonder exactly what his orders were. It wasn’t just a simple go and procure her for me. Maybe QSA said that he better make sure he delivers Sookie to her and threatened his life if he didn’t.
Half fairy, eh? This would be a significant departure from the books, in more than one way. Charlaine said she wrote the books from the POV of a human dealing with the supernatural world. One eighth fae I could basically accept as human, but not one half. It’s going to be interesting to find out what traits AB gives to his half fairy. If she’s half fae, why doesn’t she smell of fairy and attract vampires like a lure attracts fruitflies? Maybe fairies don’t have a distinctive smell in the Ballverse.
As for Bill, at least he gave a damn!
OK, moving on from the bad GWTW joke….. I tend to think the “Damn!” was prompted by a combination of things. He’d managed to nearly kill his “miracle”, piss off her protectors causing them to take her away from him, maybe piss off Sookie permanently if he hasn’t killed her, which would be bound to incur the Queen’s wrath, and has been dumped on the side of the road in the sunlight with no shirt on. I think that warrants a “Damn!”. So I find myself in the highly unusual situation of defending Bill.
I find your theory about the effects of Bill ingesting Sookie’s blood compelling, SVB. It will be interesting to see whether the issue is addressed at all, and whether the effects of SookieSunscreen fade with time.
I wonder if the Queen, or whoever in fact issued the order to procure Sookie, wants her not just for the short term benefit of using her blood to walk in the sun, but to use her for experiments with view to a more permanent solution to the vampire -v- sun issue.
(Charlaine said she wrote the books from the POV of a human dealing with the supernatural world. One eighth fae I could basically accept as human, but not one half.)
In the books, Sookie’s telepathy made her somewhat of an outsider to the human world. In TB, they haven’t explored this enough in her character development to make the masses understand the impact this has on her life, and how different it makes her feel. AB must feel like he needs something big, like being 1/2 fairy, to make her not fit in to any of the worlds he’s created (vampire, human, shifter).
And the fact that QSA has more to deal with now then Bill draining Sookie, AND Bill doesn’t know about RE/QSA marriage either. I’m not sure if she would continue to be concerned about Bill’s mission, if he was in fact sent by her, because basically seeing as she is now married to RE then all that was her’s is now his.
What if QSA’s origional intentions for Sookie was to steal her light so that she could be a daywalker. Remember Talbot’s comment to RE ~You’ve had the bleeds twice this week ~ Could QSA try to use this to rid herself of RE and their lavender marriage?
When I read the 1/2 fae thing, my first reaction was they should check their facts first because she is not 1/2 fae. Now I wouldn’t even be surprised
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We’ve already seen in that one preview that we’re going back to Fern Gully because Bill get’s glowy hands from Claudine, so this is what it could be referring to, since it seems the only place Claudine shows up is in dreams and comas.
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LOL @ Fern Gully.
SVB-I thought of the same things about S1 that you mentioned, but I really don’t think that they had planned the daywalking theme back then. They had Sookie dream about Bill bursting into flame prior to his stroll. Bill then tells her (and us) that he wouldn’t go up into flames that quickly to set up the ep12 stroll in the sun. There was no reason for him to ever assume that he would be in the sun in front of Sookie. If he was conducting an experiment, why not stick his hand outdoors?
In S2, Godric tells Sookie that since he’s older, it will be quicker thereby establishing that age has something to do with how fast a vampire burns. Again this is so the audience doesn’t question why he goes up like kindling since we all witnessed Bill’s slow burn. If they wanted to go the daywalking route, Godric could have left out his speech, and the fandom could have howled inconsistency until now.
Plus Bill offers to go to the roof with Sookie when she goes to be with Godric saying he’d be okay for a while. If he thought or knew that Sookie’s blood was giving extra SPF, he would be revealing this ability to Eric of all vampires.
I still say they were changing things up to suit the plot with the different burnings. Maybe if they would stop writing explanations into the dialogue, like when Tara explains why she’s able to heft Bill’s body so easily, it would be different.
ITA Mia. They seem to invent and contradict a lot as they go along, making-up these new plots and planting weird explanations.
I think the way Godric burned was simply an aesthetic choice. He was a sympathetic character and his death was portrayed as a beautiful, touching moment. No one wanted to watch Godric’s skin turn black and see him sear in a realistic, painful-looking way. Bill? No one cares if he’s hurting and crispy. I personally consider his day-walking adventure a hilarious highlight of season one.
Every ‘explanation’ that comes out of AB’s mouth is complete shit. This is the same guy that said fucking with Eric’s hair is accurate “because hair still grows when you’re dead.”
BTW, did anyone notice if the TB fairies have pointy ears? Excellent catch on the ear-stroking, SVB!!!
“BTW, did anyone notice if the TB fairies have pointy ears?”
Just checked that bit. The ears I could see looked rounded like normal human ears, not pointed.
That’s pretty weird…
[I think the way Godric burned was simply an aesthetic choice. He was a sympathetic character and his death was portrayed as a beautiful, touching moment. No one wanted to watch Godric’s skin turn black and see him sear in a realistic, painful-looking way. Bill? No one cares if he’s hurting and crispy. I personally consider his day-walking adventure a hilarious highlight of season one.]
LOL. I thought Godric needed to poof so all of us at home wouldn’t be tapping our feet and checking our watches as Godric slowly turned to ash with Sookie asking “is this going to take much longer ’cause I have to get back to Beehl.” I like your view better though.
I agree with Mia about this: “SVB-I thought of the same things about S1 that you mentioned, but I really don’t think that they had planned the daywalking theme back then. They had Sookie dream about Bill bursting into flame prior to his stroll. Bill then tells her (and us) that he wouldn’t go up into flames that quickly to set up the ep12 stroll in the sun. There was no reason for him to ever assume that he would be in the sun in front of Sookie. If he was conducting an experiment, why not stick his hand outdoors?”
Also, what GPL9 said about the Godric burning being an aesthetic choice. I think they wanted it to be beautiful. Having said that, though, once they came up with the daywalking idea, one would hope they would try to be consistent about the rules for how vampires burn…. I have always been suspicious of that line from S1 that SVB quoted, though, when Bill tells Sookie that she doesn’t know how different she is.
I would like it if they had planned the whole daywalking thing out since they started writing season 1, but I just don’t thin they planned that far ahead.
Maybe the fact that Godric was so enlightened and welcoming of his death, having made the CHOICE to meet the sun, he simply turned back into light, and this is what the writers were trying to convey in this scene.
Or, Sookie’s blood allows the vampire to stay in the sun longer than usual. We won’t have confirmation of this until later in the season …
SPOILSPORT: when we get the dynamic duo of re and en outside of fangtasia, and they slowly fry in the sun. Will they have had either a. sookie’s blood or b. the blood of some fae or c. both or d. neither?
See the thing is, the writers don’t have to have known where they were going with this since season 1 for it to pan out this way. In fact, I would tend to agree that this WASN’T planned from S1.
It’s kind of like writing retrospectively – tv shows have to do this all the time because they never know how long they’re going to be around.
On the Russell issue – we know he is going to burn in the finale and at 3000 years old, there is no way they can logically expect us to believe he burns the same as Bill after Godric. There has to be some internal logic here.
[There has to be some internal logic here.]
There should be, I agree. But based on the 2 1/2 seasons, I think AB will do whatever he wants and say “screw any mythology I’ve planted.”
It’s hard to believe that I’ve never thought so into this show before. I mean, after reading this blog, I’ve noticed how kinda off the wall AB’s writing really is. He’s just like, okay. “I want it to be with way and this way, and I don’t give a shit if people can contradict it. It’s my show.”
Which makes it kinda out of our hands.
As a reader of the books, I have to say that this season is getting very VERY off the road. But, it’s AB’s show, now. CH probably doesn’t have any say in anything. What do you guys think?
I always thought that Godric burned that way because he basically didn’t have any blood in him. Godric always looked suspiciously blue to me, compared to the other vampires.
LOL, you KNOW Russell Edgington likes to get down and gorge himself on hookers
Mia, I think you’re absolutely right. They have no idea where they’re going. I’ve said this all along. I would grant that when they break the season they come up with this BS, but they don’t worry about it until they have to and then it becomes a WHAAAAATT?
Great post…..lots to think about! I really want to know what Hadley whispered to Eric. I think you are on the money with the theory of day walking! Bill is definitely a good “actor” per say……
I don’t think he knows “exactly” what her blood could do…
Remember when he was at Sophie Anne’s and he said he only fed from Sooke?
Do u remember Sophie’s face??? she was in a very Oh Shit Moment becouse she knew what her blood could do…but he didin’t….maybe….
Yap, I think that too… And I keep my possition that AB does everything deliveratelly.
I do think Bill has known all along what Sookie is, but the queen wouldn’t tell him what her blood could be, it isn’t good to spread that kind of knowledge. And that was confirmed when Bill looked socked when he didn’t burn on last ep.
We have being told that vampires burn quicklier as they get old… So Bill wouldn’t burn right away. I believe he didn’t go out to the sun the first time because it hurts and could kill him… If she was already death? Better the punishment by the queen or just run away. The second time though, he had already gotten addicted to her blood and also knew she had fall in love with him, so it was a good opportunity to show her and thus, chain her. But I really believe he mayde the tumb hole at the cementery (it is extremelly obvious). I supppose the fairy blood might have helped that time too, but he surely didn’t know and he hadn’t taken such a quantity, at least in one time and not right before the exposure.
In last episode it seemed that he, even if his skin began to smoke, wasn’t very hurt by the sun. His physical response to the exposure is completely different to s1, when it hit him right away… I do think that reaction is what told him what her blood did… His face showed surprise.
Btw… I love the “DAMM!” It was like “I got dirt the carpet, mum is gonna get angry”. lol. I enjoid that a lot, more than Sookie’s scream, I knew she would do it so no surprise, but I had hoped she would have regained her slefpreserve intuition and jump away from him, and make a more real scream, it was so fake! Hadley did much better her job acting. And expect a reunion of B&S by next ep… As CH said “Eww!” lol
Oh i really hope in a no-reunion of B/S becouse that could be the stupid things Sookie ever done in her short life….
I see a very “drama queen” moment of Bill by telling her how much he wouldn’t hurt her, how he just brings suffer in her life and _______ (add some stupids and unusefull things)….so a normal man after realizing that should get the f*** out of her life and ours….but we all know he won’t soooo i only can hope he will do many others bad things in next episodes and i will be happy XD
Sookie will move on….she need time it’s only 4-5 days from him proposed to marry her and now…
I hope we could have some good E/S moments that could help to clarify his intentions with her, kind of, becuse Eric doesn’t explain himself to nobody but show his intentions instead.
{I hope we could have some good E/S moments that could help to clarify his intentions with her, kind of, becuse Eric doesn’t explain himself to nobody but show his intentions instead.}
Mony, I feel exactly the same way. It’s occurred to me that Pam would be the perfect character to provide the exposition (re: motivations and all the havoc the V-dealing and revenge plot are wreaking in Eric’s life) that Eric won’t or can’t give Sookie. Alas, I doubt it’ll be happening this season. Would be a great scene, though–Pam telling Sookie to shut her mouth, open her ears, and learn something about what the Viking is up against.
Great post SVB. Lots to think about. Did anyone notice that RE gave Sookie a large sniff when she was first brought to the manse? I think he has figured something is very different about her. He saw her microwave hand display, he is a collector of the unusual according to Talbot and he is old enough to know about fairies. He gave the Magister a good sniff and was able to discern his vintage. The vamp has a wine connoisseurs nose. He knows or suspects that Sookie is part fae.
I noticed that too. Plus, RE reminisces with Eric about how the blood tasted was long ago. And, you have his househusband Talbot, serving elaborate meals/cocktails and looking to infuse blood with oranges and daylilies. He definitely knows/suspects something is different with her.
I think that yet again AB has given a existenting SVM Characters characteristic to a TB character (try saying that 10 times fast, lol) Andre in the books could tell what Sookie was via taste, so it’s not a stretch to have AB give RE a similar ability
We are so on the same page here Bobsgran…he even knew that the silver that the magister’s cain was made from came from the Iberian peninsula of Spain. RE even spoke Spanish to the magister. All this from one sniff…
Russell is going to turn out to be the granddaddy of them all. He is insanely powerful and we haven’t seen even a smidge of what he is capable of.
His forehead fondling of Bill and then that same night, Bill having the dream about his family and Lorena – CRAZY shit.
Doesn’t he just make you want to sqweeee??? I love Russell Crowe…I mean Russell Edgington…lmao
I love Russell. He is AWESOME.
I haven’t decided myself if this theory is possible or not.
On one hand, there’s the absurd “damn!” reaction of Bill… wft was that? he should have been SHOCKED at the very least.
And there’s the dossier, which makes me think Bill did a long research on Sookie, possibly discovering her fae origin.
And I also suspect that Bill is double playing and while he was “procuring” for QSA, he was actually working for something higher (the Authority) who want Sookie as well, but that’s another story.
On the other hand, Godric said that the older is a vampire, the faster he burns. Bill himself seemed pretty sure from the beginning that sun wouldn’t make him explode in flames – because of his young age.
We saw Bill didn’t start burning outside the truck, but he did start smoking however.
So what’s the point in showing the smoke?
QSA MUST want Sookie for her magical blood… what else? Definitely not for her telepathy, since it is well known by Eric and he wouldn’t be so surprised in hearing Hadley spilling the beans.
But is this magical blood really a sunshield for vamps?
Overall, I have more questions than answers.
I don’t think that QSA confided in Bill the reason she wanted Sookie.
I instead think Bill did other researches by himself and found out that Sookie is POSSIBLY part fae, and that her blood POSSIBLY can be magical… But he didn’t know for sure and his failed attempt in daywalking in ep 1×12 made him think he was somewhat wrong – only that he wasn’t, and he simply didn’t know that he should have taken a large amount of Sookie’s blood right before exposing himself to the sun.
So Bill gets progressively more immune to the sun the more of Sookie’s blood he drinks, but I think it takes more than just drinking her blood I think a BLOOD EXCHANGE has to take place. IMO, THIS is why she keeps getting beat up and injured–He has to get HIS blood into her and then drink from her. Something about HER blood being mixed with the healing powers of his vamp blood and recycled back to her is causing a synthesis to occur and he needs to drink HIS blood mixed with hers for the daywalking to happen. Perhaps there is a magic number of times this has to happen before the vamp is completely immune from sunlight.
THIS is why SA sent him: to ‘experiment’ on Sookie and ‘calculate’ the magic number of of blood exchanges it takes for a vamp to become completely immune.
That DAMN after he got thrown out of the truck can be translated as his disappointment that the cycle of blood exchange was interrupted by Tara and Alcide. Now that he’s got his blood back into her he needs to drink from her one more time and then perform another test. If it doesn’t work the cycle continues…IOW, she’ll need to get injured again, ‘healed’ again by Bill, and then he will have to drink from her to see if the magic number has been reached.
I think the magic number is 5, for various conspiratorial reasons, but Bill probably doesn’t know this.
Oh, and the danger of creating a ‘Renfield’ be damned. If fact, from Bill and SA’s pov, all the better. A non-sentient blood slave is just what they want, I’m sure.
Sunny, I have no idea whether you’re right or not;) but I love the idea of Sookie’s blood enabling the vamps to day walk. Even in the books, I couldn’t understand why Sookie’s telepathy (which only reliably works on humans) would be considered such an important asset to the vamps. Between their ability to glamor and a polygraph, you’d think they’d have that covered, wouldn’t you? TB has plenty of inconsistencies I think but this would at least give the vamps a compelling reason to be *very* interested in Sookie. Lord knows it’s not her remarkable intellect or poise under crisis conditions.
I think Claudine clearly warned Sookie to stay away from Bill when she said “Don’t let him(or them, i dont remember) steal your light”. I think that if Sookie is fully drained, the vampire who drained her would have stolen her light and be able to walk out in the sun forever without burning.
I think that if Sookie is fully drained, the vampire who drained her would have stolen her light and be able to walk out in the sun forever without burning.
This is certainly true, Nekkoy. Perhaps he does mean to exploit her nearly to death for his own personal gain. A parallel is Joe Lee nearly breaking Melinda’s back exploiting her ‘special’ quality, to the point she could no longer ‘work’.
Interesting parallel. I didn’t notice it but it’s quite the same thing.
Hmmm, the Joe Lee/Bill comparison on using the special powers of their women is one I had not thought of. The symbolism might tie in that absurd dog fighting storyline. I have yet to figure out how it relates or why it should take up so much time.
Hmmm, the Joe Lee/Bill comparison on using the special powers of their women is one I had not thought of. The symbolism might tie in that absurd dog fighting storyline. I have yet to figure out how it relates or why it should take up so much time.
EVERY secondary storyline is a mirror of the main plotline, those of the triangle, and sheds light on who Bill, Sookie, and Jason really are underneath. Jason, Crystal, and her ‘asshole’ boyfriend is significant as well. Read Renee’s take on it:
http://www.ancientpythoness.com/2010/08/04/just-two-love-sick-fools/
Hmmm, the Joe Lee/Bill comparison on using the special powers of their women is one I had not thought of. The symbolism might tie in that absurd dog fighting storyline. I have yet to figure out how it relates or why it should take up so much time.
EVERY secondary storyline is a mirror of the main plotline, those of the triangle, and sheds light on who Bill, Sookie, and Jason really are underneath. Jason, Crystal, and her ‘asshole’ boyfriend is significant in this respect as well. Read Renee’s take on it over at The Ancient Pythoness in a piece entitled “Just Two Lovesick Fools”.
When you think about it Sam/Eric is trying to save a beloved from being exploited.
Lafayette has ‘powers’ and someone is ‘coming for’ him, according to his mother Ruby Jean.
Tara was tied down and her mouth taped shut (Bill constantly shushing Sookie, anyone?) by a crazy ass vampire who didn’t give a damn what SHE wanted, as long as he got what HE wanted out of her.
**I meant Bill, Sookie, and ERIC, obviously.
She said dont let HIM (in other words Bill) steal your light. She had to have been referring to Bill. Claudine appeared to her after being almost drained to death by Bill.
what really bothered me about that scene was him covering her mouth to mute her screams. (that’s the same thing I do at home, but I digress) It’s seems he had some kind of instinct that told him to do that. Some minute awareness that he should do that. It tells me that he wasn’t so out of control.
Well excuse me if I am skeptical that a vamp can actually pass out. Pam had been tortured for TWO DAYS and she was still conscious. More of Bill’s dramatics to give himself an alibi.
I’m sorry if I offended.
LOL! No you didn’t offend me. BILL offends me.
LMAO!!!! On so many levels I think he offends us all!!!
Yep. I’m having to avoid Facebook like the plague at the moment because if I see one more BL waxing lyrical about Bill not knowing what he was doing I think I’m gonna scream.
They’ve lifted their book defence (which, btw half of them have never even READ) and just slapped it on TB Bill – completely ignoring what we were actually SHOWN on the show.
And what we were shown was Bill inexplicably passing in and out of conciousness, and having moments of complete coherence before mysteriously dropping out of it again. We were shown that Bill was aware enough to know that someone would hear Sookie if she screamed. And of course, we were shown that Pam was still lucid after TWO DAYS when Bill was with Lorena for no more than a few hours.
And all of this doesn’t even take into account the fact that Bill has had Sookie’s BLOOD. There is no way he COULDN’T know who she was.
We know that Bill is a very convincing liar so it wouldn’t be a stretch for him to really put on the act so that Sookie ‘nurturing’ instinct would kick in. And of course these instinct only now relate to Bill. He KNEW she would try and save his arse again, he would have been able to FEEL her coming towards him, so he upped his hurting act to MAKE SURE she did everything possible to save him. He KNEW that she would jump into the truck with him, and he KNEW that she would give him her blood. Sookie at this point in time is so very perdictable that Bill would have to be as dumb as a box of nails not to know that Sookie would do anything to save him.
“he didnt know what he was doing” is the same defense used by abuse victims’ whose partners are alcoholics or drug addicts.
I can understand BL for rationalizing their hero, they’ve had 2.5 years to rationalize that it is ‘ok’ if every good action done by Bill was taken from Eric’s book character. He is still their man, even with ill-gotten gains. Actually, now I am wondering if the writers’ stealing all Eric’s good actions from the books is just symbolic of Bill’s overall dishonesty.
What has surprised me, however, is reading various blog reviews by professional critics from magazines, etc., and NONE of the reviewers equates what Bill did in the truck to Sookie as some form of symbolic date/girlfriend rape. It is always, ‘well he’s a vamp and was weak and so his vamp nature came through.’ Bill has done some form of out-of-control symbolic rape 2-3 times now, and no one seems to care: grabbing Sookie when he comes out of the dirt in the graveyard (Season 1), Lorena neck twisting, Sookie blood rape. His character has been so effectively written about his ‘love of his interior humanity’, no casual viewer seems to notice.
But we notice
There’s going to have be some slap in the face moment for the more casual viewer in the pipeline. There is too much going on with Bill now for them NOT to point it out in an obvious way eventually. After all, they felt the need to have Tara explicitly explain to us that Franklin’s blood was the reason she was able to throw Bill around like a sack of sludge
So it’s not like they’re “above” feeling the need to point out the obvious.
Bill has done some form of out-of-control symbolic rape 2-3 times now, and no one seems to care: grabbing Sookie when he comes out of the dirt in the graveyard (Season 1)
THIS! What always struck me about this scene was just how long Bill let Sookie scream and fight to get away before calling her name. He could have easily said ‘Oh hey, it’s Bill’ the second his head came out of the ground, but he waited until he was completely out. Which means he totally gets off on her fear, screaming and fighting.
Agreed SS. Bill is a freak.
Yes, and wallering all over her in a graveyard when he was nude and filthy. When I saw the Lorena flashback in the bed with the dead people and blood, I had a flash back to the graveyard scene in season one. That was NOT a sexy scene. Scares the crap out of me what women perceive as ‘love’.
I’m with you Katherine, it astounds me that so many women out there think all that’s okay in the name of “love”. Your comment about Bill “stealing” Eric’s good deads puts a different spin on it too, much like I think he’s stolen book Sookie’s admirable qualities. Would we expect less from Bill?
I wonder though if Bill will *never* be outed by AB (or Ms. Harris) for what he actually is and most of us will be outraged and the rest will be Billusional to the very end. Maybe that’s what AB means by “being true to the spirit of the books.” I hope not.
I wonder if that’s why QSA has kept Hadley around all this time…after all, if we follow the genealogy of the books, Hadley is just as fae as Sookie.
That’s a good point…I think then they should have had some mysterious things happening (crimes) that only a vampire could commit happen in the daytime. It would have been a nice touch.
Oh there will be, count on it.
Mmm.. By her taste, maybe she is as part fae as Sookie is (remember Eric’s surprise after tasting her). But she might be not… Jason is not, his blood tape was AB negative, I believe he said. I began to think that the fae heritage, as well as being vamp of shifter, has no halfway, you get the gen or you not. It might have pass to Sookie’s grandfather and then to her… Maybe we will she that Hunter got it too. But then, why would Hadley taste that good too?
I think the last episode made fairly clear that this theory is right on the money, and that the Queen sent Bill to procure Sookie because her blood makes vampires immune to sunlight.
The only thing that’s not clear is how much Bill knew about his mission beforehand. I’m of the mind that he only knew that Sophie-Anne wanted her for “special” reasons, but wasn’t given any specifics. I think finding that he DIDN’T burn when he was thrown out of the truck led him to connect the dots– or to come very close to it, at least. I agree, though, that this motivation has likely been in place since season one, and that THAT’S the reason the writers included Bill’s foray into the sun in the finale. I also think that it lends some irony to the “sunlight on your skin” comments– as if Bill could sense her difference, but didn’t really know what to attribute it to.
I’m also not convinced yet that Bill will seek to exploit her powers personally. But it will be interesting to see what he does with this info now that he has it– and now that he has betrayed both Russell and Sophie-Anne. His reaction when he was kicked out of the van was definitely odd… but I’m attributing it to the fact that the true nature of his mission clicked into place at that very moment.
Actually, my real question is why Claudine chose NOW to tell Sookie that it’s become too dangerous. She was obviously aware of Bill’s involvement in her life (and presumably the Queen by proxy) from the get-go… so what has changed? And is the “he” she’s referring to in that scene REALLY Bill?
I have to say, I’m not so sure. I think “he” might actually be Russell… and what concerns me even more is that Claudine decided to issue her warning after ERIC found out the truth about Sookie. Then again, I think “the dark” probably refers to ALL vampires– and the last episode’s context, it was Bill, because he was the one who was assigned to deliver her. But if Bill was really the primary danger, you’d think Claudine would have paid Sookie a personal visit weeks ago, instead of waiting until now. So I suspect she’s made her presence known at this point because the secret is as good as OUT.
Anyway… lots of questions. And I imagine answers will be forthcoming soon.
[I have to say, I’m not so sure. I think “he” might actually be Russell… and what concerns me even more is that Claudine decided to issue her warning after ERIC found out the truth about Sookie.]
That’s a really good point. “he” could be Eric or Russell as well. But Sookie mentioned that “Bill’s not like that” and Claudine didn’t say “I’m not talking about Bill”.
Damn fairies!! Wonder why they have to be so secretive?
I know– the ambiguity was totes annoying.
But that’s why I think Claudine’s referring to Russell (or, God forbid, Eric). When Sookie said that Bill’s not like that, Claudine merely said that she doesn’t have time to explain. I took that to mean that she didn’t have time to go into the fact that “Bill might love you now, but he was sent by vampires who want to steal your light. So he’s NOT to be trusted.”
In short, she basically said “it’s complicated.”
Anyway, I think Bill does love Sookie. BUT, I think it was Mark Blankenship who mentioned in his episode review this week that this discovery could create an interesting dilemma for Bill. Now that he knows what her blood can do– and given the ferocity with which he “clings to the illusion of humanity”– would he be willing to KILL Sookie and to sacrifice that love to be able to walk in the sun?
I’m pretty sure this choice is going to take front and center for Bill in the second half of the season. And it will be interesting to see which side he ultimately comes down on.
Or, come to think of it, it could also be that– now that Sophie-Anne and Russell are married, and he is effectively acquiring what is hers– Sookie is in REAL danger. Whereas, when Sophie-Anne was the only one interested in her, Sookie (for whatever reason) was not facing a major threat– hence Claudine keeping an eye on her, but not making her presence known yet.
Again, it’s the timing that’s throwing me off. If BILL was actually the biggest threat to Sookie– or even Sophie-Anne, for that matter– I feel like Claudine would have tried to convince her to leave as soon as the incident with the Rattrays happened.
That’s why I’m leaning toward the fact that it’s Russell who Claudine’s really afraid of. It would make a lot of sense, too– having a Druid background, and probably being involved in magic, he would certainly be familiar with fairies. And would want to use their blood as as secret weapon to help him make a play at world domination.
Maybe in the show Claudine can’t reach out to Sookie in reality and this has been the first time Sookie was unconscious? I can’t remember if she’s been knocked out before where Claudine would’ve felt the need to warn her of Bill/vamps.
Maybe the reason of the timing could be a combination of Sookie being almost drained for the first time and Russell marrying Sophie Anne.
But what if the vision of Claudine was somewhat evoked by Sookie’s subconscious? I mean… maybe Claudine tried to get in touch with Sookie all this time along but she never had the chance to, because Sookie’s subconscious kept her away, so focused on Bill as she was.
Now that Sookie has been ferociously attacked by her love, her subconscious is finally ready to accept that Bill is a danger, so Claudine was finally allowed in Sookie’s mind. The attack kinda triggered the vision.
Does it make sense?
That makes a lot of sense… ANd furthermore… Claudine talked to her all the time as if Sookie knew her already, thus, Sookie was there before (she even “had drink it before”), she seemed confused when Sookie didn’t recognised her.
Sookie lost once before concienciousness, when the Ratts attack. I don’t think Bill just tasted her forehead, after knowing him. So, what if she awaked soon and show something and Bill erased her memories? What if she had also dreamed of Claudine and so she was warned against him? And so when he erased her memories her dreams got erased too?
We think that she can not be charmed, but she is the narrator, what if she doesn’t remember? Or what if other vamps hadn’t tried it yet and she just thought they had because she had being told so? We don’t know much yet, Ab likes to surprise us by changing this kind of things from the books. We don’t know how a bond works, how the glamour or the blood does, we don’t know much, Bill never talks and he is our first resource too.
She said she doesnt have time to explain why Sookies wrong, i.e. wrong about bill, wrong about him not being like that.
When Sookie said “he’s not like that” Claudine said “I dont have time to explain why you’re wrong”, so she knew Sookie was talking about Bill. That passage was directly referring to Bill. Claudine has to know about Sookie dating Bill. I think when Claudine said “its not safe anymore” she was referring to the fact that the vamps are figuring out her secret.
Yeah, Claudine was definitely telling Sookie that Bill is a vampire, and therefore, just as dangerous to Sookie as the rest of them. But it’s still unclear whether or not Bill’s the one who Claudine is saying will steal Sookie’s light. She answers that “he will steal your light” when Sookie asks why it isn’t safe anymore. But I think that Bill’s name was left out of that statement for a reason– namely, to keep suspicion on Eric, or more likely, Russell.
Claudine definitely COULD be talking about Bill when she said that, and they certainly wanted to imply that she was. But I’m thinking that it might be a bit of a red herring. In other words, I’m wondering if Claudine chose to visit Sookie now because the threat to Sookie has actually become much bigger than Bill, like you mentioned. I don’t think Claudine is a fan of Bill’s in the least– or a fan of ANY vampire for that matter– but again, if he was the one who Claudine feared would steal Sookie’s light, then why didn’t she pay her a personal visit the first night the Rattrays beat her in the parking lot, instead of just looking on from a distance?
We know that somehow, Bill ends up in fairyland, and that afterward he reluctantly warns Sookie of the dangers she faces. My guess– which could be wrong– is that Claudine confronts Bill to tell him that he better explain to Sookie why he was sent to Bon Temps to begin with, why Russell chose to kidnap HIM to get info, and why a whole bunch of vampires are after her now… because it’s essentially HIS fault that she’s in this position. Claudine probably senses that Sookie will only believe this news straight from the horse’s mouth at this point, so it would make sense for her to force Bill’s hand somehow.
But, we’ll just have to wait and see, I guess…
[ I don’t think Claudine is a fan of Bill’s in the least– or a fan of ANY vampire for that matter– but again, if he was the one who Claudine feared would steal Sookie’s light, then why didn’t she pay her a personal visit the first night the Rattrays beat her in the parking lot, instead of just looking on from a distance?]
IMO, she was referring to Bill, at least I’d like to think so. I was thinking Claudine has been ordered by Niall to use a laissez faire policy on Sookie, she has to be able to live her life and make mistakes, Claudine is just there as a lifeguard so even if Bill was going to steal her light she couldn’t do anything about it (such as appear in person) or tell Sookie about it because Bill had to act upon it first. Since he almost did it, she now has cause to approach Sookie. Or it could be that Claudine hadn’t discerned Bill’s plan, and so didn’t have any reason to warn Sookie-kins.
However, in the dream it insinuated that Claudine has psychic/prophetic abilities, or at least that type of connection with Sookie, “I knew you were going to say that,” and “I knew you were going to say that.” So if Claudine did know Bill was going to steal her light and that was the plan all along, one would think she would have at the very least have entered Sookie’s life in so much as Sookie trusted her on some level.
And if Claudine is psychic, then she knows that “he” (whoever he is) WILL steal Sookie’s light.. not that “he” MIGHT steal Sookie’s light… that is, unless she interferes with the space time continuum and changes the course of things.. such as by telling Bill to go f*ck himself.
I think Claudine is just telepathic, like Sookie. I thought they were making that a fairy trait.
Serena, On the season 1 dvd the commentaries mention that the Claudine scene during the Ratray’s attach of Sookie was removed. Care to take a guess who’s vampire blood could have had an effect to Sookie to erase this scene in Sookie’s memory?
What is interesting though is that Russell told Bill the only way he could protect Sookie is to turn her. Maybe after Bill realizes that he can’t protect her from RE / SA, he will try to turn her to save her, but thereby also stealing her “light”. I don’t know. It just stood out to me that Russell said that to Bill.
I won’t believe for a minute that Eric is as dangerous to Sookie as Bill is. I don’t believe Eric would try to ‘procure’ her for personal gain, I don’t believe he would drain her even if he was starving, and I don’t believe he would try to control her and steal her ‘light’, or identity, or anything else that belongs to her. He only wants from Sookie what she will give to him of her own free will.
To say that Claudine doesn’t know the difference between these two is the same as saying that she is utterly lacking in judgement and wisdom and discernment, that she is basically useless or even malevolent. And if Claudine is at the core of who Sookie is, of her ‘identity’, then by assuming she is useless or malicious because she wrongly lumps Bill and Eric and all vampires into the same category, we have to assume SOOKIE is useless and malicious. we are in essence rejecting Sookie’s core identity, her inner voice, for Bill’s sake, something we have criticized and condemned HER for doing.
It’s like saying to an abused friend: “It’s not Bill’s fault girlfriend, ALL men are like that. You’re basically a useless piece of shit anyway, so whatever he does to you is your own fault, especially if you get near him when he’s in one of his ‘moods’. So reject that little inner voice of yours that’s telling you he’s doing you wrong and just accept that Eric will treat you the same way. Because he’s a man. And all men are alike.”
Sunny, I am simply assuming that they are following the books with respect to Claudine’s position on vampires– which is to say that they ALL lose their shit around fairies, and that if Sookie was smart, she wouldn’t have anything to do with ANY of them.
Sookie’s fairy family tolerates Eric in the books– and particularly Niall, who has a fair amount of respect for him. But he also would have gladly killed Eric if Sookie wanted, and it was clear that the relationship was tenuous– not just because they have a history of war, but on account of the fact that vampires pose an intrinsic threat to fairies.
Because of this, I don’t expect that Claudine would approve of Eric any more than she would approve of Bill. But I do think that the REAL danger here is Russell. As a former Druid with an ancient Celtic background, he no doubt has some familiarity with fairies… and I think that Claudine knows he’ll be coming after Sookie next. And to say that he poses a greater threat to Sookie than Bill does would be a gross understatement.
Well, you could be right MAS but I keep going back to the fact that Eric was injured in a bomb blast yet he still controlled himself around Sookie, so I don’t think the concept of vamps losing their shit around fairies applies to TB.
And yes, Russell is far more dangerous than Bill, but as far as Sookie is concerned, BILL is the one who has had multiple blood exchanges with her. HE is the one who is closest to ‘stealing her light’ at this point in time. And if Bill has his way, RE will go down for killing the magister–Bill heard RE’s rant after all, and now the magister is missing– and if he can possibly maneuver it, so will Eric.
I really don’t know exactly where they’re going in terms of fairy appeal to vampires. It’s clear that Sookie’s blood is especially delicious and that she’s naturally appealing to vampires. In the books, she’s only part fairy. But being “part” ANYTHING doesn’t seem to be an option in ‘True Blood’– and being that she doesn’t have a blood type, well… who knows?
But I’m getting the impression that, if Sookie is a full-blooded fairy on ‘True Blood,’ she ISN’T on the same level as Claudine and the rest of the fairies in Fairyland… at least, not yet. This might account for the fact that every vampire she meets– including Bill, until now– DOESN’T freak out and try to eat her on the spot.
I’m sure they’ll give us more answers eventually. Here’s hoping they make sense. LOL.
Could it be that she was implanted into that Stackhouse family kinda like Dawn was in Buffy. Maybe something was happening in Fae that caused Naill to remove an important member of his family for protection. Remember in the books that the longer fairies are in the human world the weaker they become because of Iron. Maybe since she has been in the human world, she is considerable weaker in the process. Thus Claudine telling her that in time she will become ‘stronger’ that with more face time with other Fairies her dominant traits will come out. I know many FF and some TB based speculations have had the vampire blood bring forth Sookie’s powers, Maybe this is why Claudine has only come now to Sookie. With her increasing powers and the fact that now more vampires know of her, the necessity for intervention has come forward.
I don’t know… But maybe Nial “implanted” one of her ancestors… Her grandfather is the same… Surely other before him were too.
To add, I don’t think the implication is that Bill couldn’t stop himself because of Sookie’s fairy blood at all. But when he eventually goes in to bite Claudine (assuming that’s what’s happening in that promo clip), I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the case. In the books, fairies DISAPPEAR when vampires show up, for their own good– with the exception of Niall, who is able to mask his “fairy smell”– and I think that’s what the writers were alluding to when Claudine told everyone to split because “the dark” was coming.
I think Claudine showed up to Sookie 1) to replenish her “light,” which seems to be depleted when she’s drained (establishing the connection to her blood), and 2) to warn her that the vampires are coming after her now, and that Bill has played no small part in making that happen.
Just my opinion.
[ To say that Claudine doesn’t know the difference between these two is the same as saying that she is utterly lacking in judgement and wisdom and discernment, that she is basically useless or even malevolent. And if Claudine is at the core of who Sookie is, of her ‘identity’, then by assuming she is useless or malicious because she wrongly lumps Bill and Eric and all vampires into the same category, we have to assume SOOKIE is useless and malicious. we are in essence rejecting Sookie’s core identity, her inner voice, for Bill’s sake, something we have criticized and condemned HER for doing.
It’s like saying to an abused friend: “It’s not Bill’s fault girlfriend, ALL men are like that. You’re basically a useless piece of shit anyway, so whatever he does to you is your own fault, especially if you get near him when he’s in one of his ‘moods’. So reject that little inner voice of yours that’s telling you he’s doing you wrong and just accept that Eric will treat you the same way. Because he’s a man. And all men are alike.”]
I don’t know Sunny, I don’t think that Claudine character, and even Eric’s character could be understand so easily. “The Dark” and “The Light” are methaphors to describe and contrast the Archetypes and natures of the Vampires and the Fairies. Sookie’s Crystal Light ad (besides been very childish and silly) has a lot of deep symbols which are inevitable not to take into consideration from now on. The female Faerie archetype symbolize all the is fair and the absolute good, all that is beautiful and trascends earthly existance. Virtues that are intangible and ethereal and represent concepts that are indeed the very center of “Being”. This female archetype can be self-sacrificial and give herself to death in an act of self-denial, which actually can explain perfectly Sookie’s obsession into trying to save Bill, as it seems she’s half-fae in TB, and not only 1/8 as she is books. Because then, if Sookie is a human BUT has a double nature, it makes a world of difference about what affects and motivates her behaviors… The Fairie archetype is the source and inspiration of the humane gifts, and also appears most fully when she denies herself all intercourse with men, as this is the source of her inner power or light. The way she stays outside any man’s power, to be unreachable, is precisely what gives her the power to inspire and attract. The Lady of the Lake, “La Pucelle” Joan of Arc and Elizabeth I “The faerie Queen” are some of the characters and real-life women who have embodied this archetype. This might be only Sookie’s half nature, but is indeed Claudine’s full nature. So I actually doubt that she’s very concern about which one of the vampire is better to trust (well, actually with AB we could never be sure), and even less is interest in men (according to her archetype). Also, with this new angle of the fae blood, which gives a vampire the ability to walk under the sun and makes them want to steal their light, I’m pretty sure that, for Claudine, any vampire is an enemy.
At the other hand, from Babylonya till our times, the male vampire archetype describes a collective darkness, the “Shadow”, the hidden worst corruption, weakness, instincts and shortcomings of the “being”. The total opposite of the virtues of the Fairies, because they are damned souls who lost the ability to retain the life energy, the light of their souls. Blood stands for life, and blood is also the archetypal symbol of the soul or life energy. Therefore, the image of a vampire always has been the one of a dark trickster who, with an insatiable void, consumes humans and sucks away their life energy. No matter the cultural variations, the vampire myth always has been focused on the same elements: they suck “blood” and are the “living dead”. The vampire resembles and truly depicts the dark image of the Christ because the Vampire archetype and the Christ-Redemptive archetype are indeed polar opposites of the same archetypal energy. The vampire myth in fact reverses the symbolism of the wine/blood in the Eucharist, which offers to the soul the heavenly reward of the divine blood as life energy, while the vampire blood offers earthly power because it lacks of life and symbolizes stagnation and death. Also, when the “life energy” is understand as “libido” or sexual energy, it also adds sexual overtones to the Eucharist symbol and the vampire myth, because both are pointing out a possesion: The Christ as the “Lover of my Soul” who is chosen by will to enter and be one with the soul while re-fills it with life, and the vampire as the dark trickster who controls the will in order to posess the soul and steal its life. The methaphor of the cup in Sookie’s dream represents the Grial, the Soul and the individuated ego which holds (and is replenished through) the light-water/eucharist’s blood/libido/life-energy. The fuel for a psyche (soul) which want to participate in living. The pond, the water, symbolize the divine and depths of the spirit that continually flows and mantain the soul connected with the divinity, the path to the source of origin. And of course, it’s fill with its light/life energy.
Now, how strong is this wish of Sookie to participate in living is something we don’t know at the moment and might be revealed later as TB story develops. But there is something that really worries me in TB about Eric, as Eric background story has been changed from the books. And is the fact that the vampire myth makes clear that most vampires once were human beings, and was an event against their will -an attack, a curse or a possesion what turned them into the damned creature of a vampire. Therefore, they were also victims of external forces in that moment. And many stories and legends show vampires who also suffer and wish to be realesead from the compulsion to drink their victim’s blood. AB’s portrayal of Bill fills in this type. BUT in Eric’s case… his story in TB is very different. Because Eric, at the moment of his human death, chose by his own will to become a damned soul and embraced the vampire’s nature, in order to fulfill his vengeance. And IMHO, this portrayal resembles much more the path of family vengeance of the original Prince Vlad Draculea Tepes III, Vlad the Impaler, the inspiration for Bram Stoker’s Dracula… And I really fear how this own choice to embrace a vampiric nature just because of a vengeance will affect the character (far beyond of a change of hair color), and to where exactly AB intends to go with Eric’s storyline in TB.
What a thoughtful and interesting post, Gigi. Thank you!
Really interesting post, Gigi. I have to say for me, when Godric turned Eric, I never thought it was so clear cut that Eric really said yes to Godric. I know he didn’t say no, but I just sort of felt like Godric took his silence as a yes, whether he really meant yes or not. Clearly Eric’s turning was a much better scenario that Bill’s turning, where Bill wasn’t even given a choice. Also, it was completely clear that Godric admired and respected Eric as a man, which made him desire his company for eternity.
You may be right. At this point, I wouldn’t put anything past AB. It is clear that Eric’s vengeance is going to cause him more suffering as well as those around him, namely, Pam. I wonder if he will find any peace or solace at all from having fulfilled his (human) father’s dying wish.
Being rather naive I thought Eric just chose to “live” on and all this vengeance stuff came later when AB decided to include Hamlet as one of this season’s themes. And as far as damned souls go, vampires do appear to have a choice in how they act, not only towards each other but also towards humans.
I don’t know if the revenge plot was already planned in s2 when they had the first viking flashback, but it was made pretty clear that Godric offered Eric “what he wanted most: LIFE”.
Now, I think that vengeance is a number 1 goal for Eric, but he definitely wanted to live: life, in its all forms, rather than death. I don’t think he chose to be turned only to get revenge, it could be one of the reason if not the most important, but the point is that Eric didn’t want to die, he wanted to live, and keep fighting.
Interesting comparison with Prince Vlad the Impaler… always thought that Dracula was a tragic hero… The kind of tragic hero that I find fascinating.
I don’t know anna… Because DOH was hired and AB announced him as the new king of Mississippi without a casting call and almost at the same time that season 2 ended. Eric’s flashback with Godric at S2 shows first at Eric dying from the wounds of a battle and asking his men to go and leave him because he was finished. And one of his men answered him: “We won’t leave you to be eaten by wolves”.
IMHO, that answer was very specif to be written only by chance.
Maybe it’s a bit of both? Obviously revenge could a be a strong and sometimes over-riding motivation but a character would have to be pretty one dimensional to be defined by that alone (and this applies to humans too).
I don’t think either that vampires are any more damned than humans, humans behave just as badly as vampires and they do not have the excuse of being “turned” or “damned”.
Remember that when I said damned, it’s not said against any specific vampire of the series, but just making an analysis based on the metaphor, the myth, the symbols and the archetype of the vampire, which are also based and framed in the collective concious. And based on Jung’s interpretation, the “Shadow” represents the hidden unconcious and repressed shortcomings from the human psyche.
I really like your post Gigi and I know it’s all just metaphor & allegory but I think it’s good to be careful how different traditions are mixed together and to avoid blurring the boundaries between different belief systems. Agreed that there is communality in human experience across cultures but that doesn’t mean that Jung’s take on things is beyond criticism. His views and interpretations were shaped and based on the culture, belief systems and gender roles that he was familiar with. If someone doesn’t share that background or those beliefs they might possibly come up with a different set of metaphors.
You’re right when you said culture influence people’s perceptions, and greatest psychology theorist weren’t excent. That’s why the discipline has evolved enough to understand and apply the concept of standarize to avoid the bias. But this comment wasn’t pretending to make a longitudinal study, but to analyze in a very brief way the insights through history and literature regarding the symbolsism, archetypes and myths concerning the vampires and the fairies. I believe this show, as well as the book series, uses a lot of psychological concepts from the jungian approach. As well as a lot of horror, terror and monsters based work in different genres also had used them. And no matter how much the culture might influence his work, I think it keeps a validity and its own wisdom, as your own comment shows. Because when you wote above:
[I don’t think either that vampires are any more damned than humans, humans behave just as badly as vampires and they do not have the excuse of being “turned” or “damned”]
you are indeed identifying, all by yourself, the jungian archetype of the shadow as the opposite of the human ego in the human psyche, the same collective way he originally describe it.
I got the impression that Eric wanted to live as well. Eric may have wanted to carry out his vengeance, but we havent seen that until this season. And because of the writers inconsistencies and people often giving them too much credit, i tend to think that even if they had the revenge plot in mind while writing Season 2, which they probably did, that we cant assume that’s the only reason he chose to live. We had no clue this is where the story would go when watching season 2.
Yeah it could be referring to RE, but I dont see her referring to Eric. Bill almost drained her, which is the only reason Claudine appeared to her in the first place. And RE is the one who had Bill kidnapped in the first place. I guess we’ll have to wait and see like you said.
I don’t think she’s referring to Eric either… though she COULD be, given that Claudine’s visit conveniently happened just after Hadley spilled the beans to him, and not a moment before.
But believe me, if it turns out that Claudine’s warning WAS about Eric– or even if they just make Eric the one who passes Hadley’s information along to Russell– I WILL BE PISSED.
I’m sorry to say, but I do think Eric will pass the info to Russell.
That line about…..
SPOILER
…….Eric offering to Russell the “ultimate vampire dream” makes me think that Eric will promise to Russell he has found a way to daywalk. I don’t know if he’ll involve Sookie in this, or he will trick RE.
If Eric sells Sookie to RE, whatever bigger plan he has in his mind, I don’t know how he’ll be redeemed.
Now I’m scared…
[…….Eric offering to Russell the “ultimate vampire dream” makes me think that Eric will promise to Russell he has found a way to daywalk]
I think this is on the money – but I was thinking it would be a trap.
Based on the finale pictures of Russell burning like S1 Crispy Bill, rather than like Godric…now I’m not so sure :/
Im thinking he’ll somehow let sookie in on the plan or she’ll figure it out. I may be giving her too much credit though, but Eric is obviously not gonna sell her out to RE without a plan.
I’m pretty sure she was referring to Bill about stealing Sookie’s light, cuz before she says that when she announces that the darkness is coming, an the Fairy’s all start running away, she says you dont wanna meet a vamp to the Faery that said they’ve never meet a Vamp before, then Sookie says “Bill’s not like that”, an she then goes on to tell Sookie “i dont have time to explain how wrong you are”, “dont let him steal your light promise me”. This Scene showed me that Sookie knew Claudine was referring to Bill as the darkness, since not only was Bill in the Room when it got dark, but then Claudine was referring to not wanting to meet a Vamp, thats when Sookie said Bill’s not like that. Why would Sookie bring up Bill if Claudine wasn’t referring to him? So even tho Sookie was in this state this shows me Sookie was aware that Bill was in the Room with her.
you’re not alone sunny.
this mofo pretty much drains sookie and passes out. au contraire… he should have been bursting with energy. especially since he had to have had some of lorena’s superior blood.
then to wake up like: who me, did i do that?
complete BS. he was hoping to in turn have to give her blood and perhaps implant a happy memory via dreams.
and she is already a renfield. when has she cared about anything else but beehl this season? she and bill just killed lorena but is going to chastise Tara for not giving a isht about beehl.
in the book, she knew that you didn’t want to be anywhere near a hungry/starved vamp… but here she is insisting on being in the back with burrito bill. i really have no love or even like for this TB character anymore. sorry to say i just keep hoping against hope that they’ll kill her off.
and she is already a renfield. when has she cared about anything else but beehl this season?
If not already, she is dangerously close and this last blood exchange didn’t help matters.
But, I AM hoping the pond water blocks some of the power of Bill’s blood. I think the first time she had the water was after getting beat up by the Rattrays. Immediately after, Bill gave her his blood. We know Claudine witnessed this event, even if they DID cut it out of the pilot. She could have accessed Sookie unconscious mind at that time as well and given her the water before Bill’s blood had a chance to take to take complete control of Sookie. We know that Sookie broke up with Bill several times after she’d had his blood and this could be an indicator of the power of the water. Sookie only became like a little wind-up doll after Bill fed her his blood in “Scratches”. At that time she wasn’t unconscious– in fact never lost consciousness after the maenad attack until after she’d had his blood but she was only sleeping. Claudine never had the chance to access her and give her the water at that time. Sookie was only balanced out somewhat after having Eric’s blood, as her interactions in IWRU attest to. Her proximity to Bill in the last three eps of s2 explain why she went back to being more of his submissive mate, even if she DID have her doubts about the SFP.
The power of the water may block some of Bill’s control, but at the same time the power of his blood blocks any memory of Claudine.
The water may also block her bloods ability to immediately make Bill a daywalker. When Bill ‘uncovers’ what Sookie is he may also ‘uncover’ the fact that Claudine’s water is keeping him from becoming a straight-up daywalker. I think THIS is why we see Bill attacking Claudine in Sookie’s unconscious mind, which he has accessed through the power of his blood.
He has to put a stop to Claudine, who in some ways is just a symbol of Sookie’s conscience. Sookie’s conscience has to be destroyed in order for Bill to take complete control of her in every sense of the word. Since TB is also a paranormal fantasy, Claudine is also a literal presence or being.
(sorry for going on and on. just trying to piece it all together. Thanks SVB for your wonderful blog and forum.
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If this is true, and it seems highly plausible, it would mean that Bill is even more deceitful then I thought! But how would they go about unmasking him? They are very subtly shedding light on his true character, but I think they would have to stand up and loudly proclaim, “Bill is a bad guy!” at the top of their longs ton convince countless BL’s that he is truly awful. Would they ever really, completely expose him for what he is? Would they risk losing the BL’s as viewers and weakening the love triangle?
Katee, his unmasking has been happening all along this season, but I agree, and big HUGE OH SHIT moment is going to have to occur for the audience to finally get it.
If it’s true that he didn’t know what Sookie’s blood could do for him then why did he run into the sun in the s1 finale? Is Bill REALLY willing to die NOT saving Sookie? Or was he running a test–with a conveniently dug and weirdly placed grave nearby—and putting on a show for Sookie at the same time?
I guess it comes down to how much of a benefit of the doubt you’re willing to give Bill. I am not inclined to give him–a proven serial killer btw– ANY benefit of the doubt, but others may disagree.
Or it could be that, if Sookie died on his watch, whatever Sophie-Anne would do to him would be far worse than death-by-sunlight. Maybe he had nothing to lose.
This and also that Bill never really thinks his actions through. He is pure impulse with no thoughts to the consequences. His attack on Russell a definite case in point.
That’s totally true, VL. This season has driven home the fact that Bill is highly skilled in the art of dumbassery. I’m not even inclined to think at this point that the Queen put him up to the proposal– I think he ACTUALLY THOUGHT they could just run away and all of their problems would disappear.
Forethought is most certainly NOT his forte.
This is true if you believe Bill really loves Sookie, but that bizarre ‘damn’ after he’d nearly drained her to death argues against it.
After finding out that her blood might allow him to WALK IN THE SUN, I’m hardly suprised that his concern for her took a back seat at that moment. He loves Sookie… but the question is whether he loves the “illusion of humanity” more.
I think this will be at least a part of Bill’s dilemma for the remainder of the season.
{This season has driven home the fact that Bill is highly skilled in the art of dumbassery. }
LOL Too true, MAS! Perfect description!
I thought he attacked RE because he was about to reveal just how Bill deceived them all (and WAS sent to BT in order to procure Sookie). Or maybe it was both. Bill is a dumbass after all.
Yep, Bill couldn’t take the chance of Sookie finding out why she was of interest to both him and QSA. If she finds out she will no longer allow herself to be exploited.
IMHO, I think we saw crispy Bill just because it was the melodramatic way of AB to show that Bill was trying to protect her at any cost (obviously because as MAS said, he was more afraid of how SA could punish him, or maybe was afraid to loose his “priviledge” position at her court). But I think the “walk in the sun” blood attribute was something developed later when the writers began to write SA with all the changes introduced in her character. And I believe that Sophie-Anne sent Bill to procure Sookie with a dossier and a file with the excuse of the telepathy that runs in her family -BUT she must have hidden the fairy genes and the “walk in the sun blood” factors info, because otherwise, that knowledge must have made very difficult that Bill (as well as any other vampire) would have wanted to bring Sookie back to her. And that’s the reason why she also gave Eric the order to not drink her blood. Because, SA knew that Bill isn’t intelligent enough to discover it by himself, but she knew that Eric is much more clever and intelligent than Bill. And that’s why Bill was shown looking at his skin under the sun when was kicked from the truck by Tara, and now needs a “vision” with Claudine to uncovers the truth
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(…in order to keep AB’s portrayal of Bill as the the dumbest and most naive vampire (MEH!) and the tormented victim of everybody in TB…)
Holy shit sunny.
I completely forgot about that convenient open grave.
I really do think that he knew, or at least had a very strong hunch, that he’d be able to go out in the sun and survive. And I also think he did it to tighten his emotional hold over her. He knew he couldn’t save her, but he also knew that looking like he was willing to die trying was a rather ringing endorsement of his suitability as a boyfriend.
Prick.
yep. that sumbitch knows what he’s doing.
Good catch Sunny!
Very interesting post svb,am just wondering on the hadley being part fae theory,am i correct in saying that hunter makes an appearence this season and hadley is still his mum in the tv show? so that would make hunter part fae AND a telepath like sookie, so where is that connection going? does QSA not know about him???
I think QSA does know about him, knows absolutely everything about him.. this is how she understands Sookie is part fairy based on everything she can piece together about her. And this is how Hadley knows what Sookie is (not that Hadley understands everything about Hunter or Sookie for that matter, and I can see Hadley be surprised at the revelation of Hunter’s telepathy even if QSA is not). I imagine QSA told Hadley that Hunter and Sookie are part Fae, even if QSA didn’t tell her the significance of that, ie the properties of their blood.
I’ve been wondering how else Hadley knows what Sookie is when she whispered into Eric’s ear, and this is the easiest answer. The three stars comment meant in my opinion that Hadley herself was not the source of QSA’s interest in Sookie (that goes beyond mere telepathy). Hadley is pretty unremarkable as a matter of fact, nothing to be intrigued by there,…but her son is a different story.
Also, I really think Hunter is going to be used by QSA to reel in Sookie. We’ll see if that happens I guess, but it could be very diabolical on QSA’s part to say the least.
I wonder if Bill knows about Hunter too, or if QSA left that out.
Bill knows about Hunter if he is the one who procured Hadley–to test the blood theory on her?–. Just like he did with Sookie, they’re waiting for him to come of age.
I can see Bill procuring Hadley because she was a drug addict and her life was a mess, like his method of singling out Destiny Camilla Ann, and I’d like to think Hunter was a ‘happy accident’ that QSA stumbled upon.. I can’t see BIll procuring a child.. especially after the writers showed us the corpse of his son this season. I can’t see them making him that evil, even if it was on QSA’s orders to do it.
I agree they/at least QSA are waiting for him to come of age, like a fine wine, lol. Thus the need for Sookie.
Just thought of another point on this when eric drinks from hadley does he make any comment on her blood taste? i think he did didnt he?
He did comment on her taste. Gave her 3 stars.
But he didn’t say there was anything unusual about her.
He said she was “three star”… which leads me to believe she’s NOT a fairy. I think he just said that to get a rise out of the Queen.
Great post!! I’ll have to mull this sucker over!
Sookie SPF 5000
I’m definitely going to go along with this Bill knows Sookie is fae through QSA via Hadley. Hadley is still human in the TB series and belongs to QSA so I’m guessing that QSA got a taste of something other from Hadley. Hadley would then have confessed the otherness that runs in her family to QSA. We know that Beehl has a file on Sookie that J. Edgar Hoover would have been proud of. I think that QSA has been using Beehl to experiment with vampire/fae blood work. I’m thinking that Beehl given QSA’s assignment would have reported his southern fried vampire mishap. Just the fact that he survived might have given QSA the SPF5000 hope. Perhaps, the blood exchanges have been about establishing what happens when they mix and what unique abilities might arise for a vampire with the right recipe. This would make sense since this is experimental QSA would probably not want to take the risk of a bad trip. Thus, Beehl is expendable as far as QSA goes, but he now has a clear idea of what end QSA has been hoping to find.
I still don’t understand how they justify in the TB world Sookie having such dramatic fae traits when her brother has none to speak of. We know Jason has a blood type. Here is where I’m going to make a wild hypothesis. TB could be heading in the direction of Sookie being a fairy changeling. This would fit neatly into her having extra fae abilities.
I’m also a little terrified by the idea that if these things get taken too far we will all be up to our non-pointy ears in day walking, hand magic wielding, telepathic vampires.
“SPF 5000″ ROFLMAO
“I still don’t understand how they justify in the TB world Sookie having such dramatic fae traits when her brother has none to speak of.”
Still possible for full siblings, though. We don’t inherit the entirely same genes.
Also, in the books Jason’s “power” was to attract mates, maybe it’s the same on TB ;D
SPF 5000. Hilarious! Maybe I was hearing things or maybe it was the wine, but I swear I heard Hadley say Bill’s name right before she told Eric whatever she told him. Did anyone else hear this?
I DID hear it, I did indeed. Not sure, but by mentioning Bill’s name first, I’m thinking we’re going to find out that Bill came to QSA with this proposition, not the other way around. After all, Bill is the one who is from Bon Temps and we know he’s been skulking around there for decades. Hadley being in the hands of QSA and Bill being a procurer leads to suspicion that he sought out Hadley because of her bloodline and because she was a ‘throwaway’ like Ann. He ‘procured’ her to test the theory on HER. She didn’t work out so they turned to Sookie, who was more of a ‘challenge’ in that a whole elaborately romantic theatre act would have to be constructed to isolate her from her support system, something Ann nor Hadley had.
Maybe I need to watch that scene again Sunny
No, you were right, she didn’t say his name, but I still stand by my theory, LOL.
Hadley says:
Eric: The queen has confided in you?
Hadley: Some..But also.. Sookie’s my cou..cousin.
Crap! Oh well. I think its just that I despise him so much that I’m now making things up to add fuel to the fire. LOL!
I thought Bill might *love* Sookie in the most stalkerish, obsessive, dysfunctional kind of way (think Franklin with a little discretion), until the “Damn”. I was surprised we saw no bloody tears for Sookie then, just a word that you would say if you had spilled your drink.
Yeah it was more like…”how can I talk my way out of this one?”
EXACTLY!!!!!
thank you. it was so obvious! haha
Totally. I was fully waiting for him to lose his shit entirely – blood tears and wailing.
Look at his reaction after he fucked Lorena. His bursting through the doors screaming in the FOTS.
When Bill is upset, or he wants someone else to THINK he’s upset, he is completely over the top with his emotional displays.
That Damn was SO off it was not even funny.
Also, where did his accent go?
Ha!
It’s only one word so it’s hard to nail it down in any concrete way.
But it’s quite enlightening to go back to season 1 and watch the first two episodes – how Bill spoke, the language he used, the way he carried himself and the way he dressed.
Once Sookie told him off for his crudeness, and he worked out what she wanted in a man – well, enter The Southern Gentleman. His whole physical appearance changed – he started dressing conservatively, he dragged out his old Southern manners, and his protective, chivalrous gentleman persona.
Watching those first two episodes is a fucking eye opener these days, let me tell you. THERE you have the real Bill.
I think Bill loses much of his accent around RE and Eric (when Sookie’s not around). At first I just thought it might just be SM being careless, but my POV leads me to believe otherwise, lol.
Bill does talk differently around others. It isn’t just you.
You are too right about this, SVB. It really was an unbelievably OOC reaction. I have to say that even when I first watched season 1, which was before I ever read any of the books, it was obvious to me that Bill had ulterior motives. When he would be talking to Sookie his face would have one expression, then when she would leave and he would look after her, his face would take on another expression entirely. One scene that stands out for me is when Sookie and Bill are talking in the Merlotte’s parking lot and she asks Bill to take her to Fangtasia for the first time, so she can try to clear Jason. The expression on his face after she leaves to go home and change is so obviously scheming. I mean, maybe he was just scheming how to best get in her pants at that point, but even though I was initially charmed by Bill’s character on the show and I thought that Bill and Sookie had great chemistry in the very beginning, I still always noticed those facial expressions of his. Anyway, I am actually looking forward to seeing where AB is going to go with all of this. I sincerely hope that Bill has been working for the AVL and/or The Authority all along; that will make me sooooo happy!!!
Not as happy as it would make me! LOL
curious has anyone discussed as to whether or not it’s Bill’s blood healing her or the pond water..if she had it before with the Rattays then maybe the pond water cures her (replenishes her essence) and the vampire blood is only a vessels to get inside of her
I love it here – you feel what I know is true. But you put all the puzzle pieces together and it makes sense.
Something has been really bothering me to death and no one on any other boards have responded to it:
In the hospital, the clerk kept pestering Jason about being the responsible party.
I assumed it was because he is officially her next of kin, and therefore the one to make decisions about organ donation and whether or not to resuscitate, etc. Jason couldn’t, or didn’t want to, understand. Is there more to it?
I’m thinking that QSA wanted Sookie AND Hadley because their blood is diluted. It isn’t pure fae and (as we saw with Beehl) it takes nearly draining the donor to death to produce even a limited effect. If QSA wanted to take large doses of it, particularly over a long period of time, she’d need to keep her donors alive instead of draining them in one and them being of no more use to her. Also, maybe she thinks that Sookie’s telepathy is a sign that the fae streak has asserted itself more strongly in Sookie than Hadley, just the same as resemblance to a mutual grandparent can be very apparant in one grandchild but hardly noticeable unless pointed out in another. This does leave the question about why she wouldn’t want Jason as well, but again it could be argued that out of the three of them (Hadley, Sookie and Jason) he has the weakest trace of fae of them all. We’ve seen that Jason can be put under a glamour quite easily (Pam did it in half a second), and we know that Sookie can’t be glamoured (unless you go by Club Dead which seems to suggest that she can be if she chooses to allow it) but where does Hadley stand in this? Is she somewhere in the middle of the glamour scale? More resistant than Jason but not totally resistant like Sookie, meaning that it simply takes more effort and maybe an older, stronger vampire to put her under?
As for Godric’s superfast frazzle, I agree that aesthetics was probably the reason behind it but that the writers would argue other factors as well, such as not having fed for an unspecified amount of time leaving him weaker and more susceptable to harmful events/substances and also maybe Godric willing himself to burn rather than fighting it. In many mythologies vampires are considered to be magical creatures (they are walking and talking dead people after all, so something has to power them), so I guess it could be argued that Godric turned his inner “magic” upon himself to hasten his death.
Now that argument I can understand. It always bothered me as to why Bill tried to help Sookie when he knew the sun was up; and how he got so far before dropping down while Godric burned up so quickly.
Just one quick correction though. Gandhiji’s name was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Ghandi is a spelling mistake that is very common in the West. Sorry but my patriotic side demanded I correct you.
SPF 5000. love it.
in this case, SPF = sookie protects fangers lol
anyhoo, since it seems that you have to almost drain the girl to be able to daywalk, i think the queen would try to isolate that part of her DNA and replicate and/or make a super concentrated synthetic version so that it can be bottled for her own version of tru blood.
doesn’t make sense to drain her and continually have to give her V. she’d eventually turn.
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i don’t see bill being smart enough to pre-dig a grave. how would he know that she would end up with rene, figure out that he killed gran and that it would happen at sook’s house and she would run through the cemetery?
i’m just gonna chalk that one up.
LOVE all the speculation here and I was one of the angry FaceBook posters calling foul on Bill’s underwhelming ‘damn’. That scene sucked, except for Crazy-eyed Tara. Chick has some tighy, buff arms!
Great speculation all, just fantastic!
Did someone already mention that perhaps Bil had been ordered to not only find Sookie, but to ‘test’ her, too? Mayhaps Bill was taking Sookie’s blood to fnd out what, if anything, it could do. You know, testing it for safety and all, like a good minion would taste his King’s food for poison.
I refuse to believe the Rattrays incident was all accidental, something else was there as it’s been mentioned twice now (once by Eric inn S2, once by Sookie with RE) I think when we watch the scene again it will be with different eyes. Bill’s little licks, he was starting his crack addiction, or maybe jumping into the reaearch phase of Sook’s blood.
ANyway, rambling off.
[I refuse to believe the Rattrays incident was all accidental, something else was there as it’s been mentioned twice now]
Definitely NOT accidental. We saw Bill fight against a pack of wolves and freeing himself from silver chains even though he had been tortured by Lorena. He’s not a weak vampire, there’s NO WAY he could have been overpowered by two redknecks with some micro silver necklaces.
He was overpowered because he allowed them to do it… just as Lorena allowed Sookie to kill her…
You make such a good point. Even in his very weakened sate, he was able to get those heavy silver chains off and around Lorenas neck. But in a totally healthy state, he supposedly couldnt get off those tiny little silver chains. Im guessing he was testing Sookie’s telepathy out, seeing if she would read the minds of the Rattrays and follow him out. He wanted to get her out there and see her in action.
I understand perfectly your point and it makes a lot of sense. However, is important to notice that there is something odd or strange in Bill’s strenght lately. Eric told Sookie that even for someone with his strenght, to fight a werewolf who is drinking vampire´s blood is a challenge. And Bill fought like four of them, alone, and ripped them to pieces… Also, following your thought, he escaped from the silver chains in the car. So, he is showing some sort of resistance to the silver. And not only during the scene in the barn with Lorena he managed to do it again, but also when he closed the doors with his bare hands. Because no matter it was shown that the action burned his hands, he did it. And, to my best recall, when Eric was in the FotS, at the altar, he was in great pain because of the silver chains and he couldn’t escape by himself. Obviously, at the beggining he offered himself to save Godric and Sookie. But he couldn’t escape by himself, not even after Stan´s arrival and Jason´s attack to Newlin, because Sookie had to free him from the silver chains.
So, IMHO, this only can mean one of two alternatives:
1- Bill indeed has an extraordinary strenght that overcomes Eric’s strenght no matter their age, thus, he actually was faking with the Rattray’s micro silver chain (as Ashely called it LOL).
OR
2- Something else is giving to Bill a boost of extra strenght. And if this is the case, it must be the fairie/no-type blood of Sookie. Because I can’t think of anything else that might result in such a change in his strenght.
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[Something else is giving to Bill a boost of extra strenght. And if this is the case, it must be the fairie/no-type blood of Sookie. ].
Of course it could be, I didn’t think about that! If it’s so, Sookie’s blood is even more desirable to vampires, who could get rid of two of their weaknesses in one shot… But I still think the Rattrays thing was not accidental. Re-watching the scene, Bill acts very strange at Merlotte’s. He keeps looking from Sookie to Denise and back, with a very malicious look in his eyes. I still think that Bill would be a very, very weak and stupid vampire if he were really overpowered by those two. I don’t think it was orchestrated; I think that Bill realized the intention of the Rattrays and he thought… “Why not? If she reads minds, she will know I’m in danger and will come to my rescue, tenderhearted as she is…”
I agree with you, because Bill is stupid, but not enough stupid to hang out with the Rattray’s. He learned with Lorena to choose the “best” victims, as their first fashback showed. And I agree with MAS about Lorena. She decided to die.
I’m not sure about Bill, but I totally agree that Lorena allowed Sookie to kill her. She probably could’ve gotten herself out of that situation if she wanted to. But knowing that Bill would never love her the way she wanted him to, she openly chose to die.
Poor nasty, crazy Lorena. What an amazing job they did with her character.
I myself have a theory about the burning, if my memory from high school chemistry serves me well.
So, I’m thinking that what True Blood vampires are made of (even if it’s just dead skin) is flammable, and that human blood in a vampire is… kind of like… a whole other substance, like not biologically similar at all. That way… maybe the greater the amount (or the more special) the blood a vampire drinks, the more it sort of dilutes the vamps natural extreme flammability. So Godric, who hadn’t had any blood before burning burned blue (the bluer bit of flame being the hottest) and Bill, who had been steadily sucking on the Sookie during sex before he burned the first time, burned slowly and with a very non-spectacular orangey flame, and hardly smoked after nearly sucking her dry in the truck. That would also explain why Lorena didn’t immediately burst into bright blue flame when Bill tried to burn her, assuming she ran around chugging blood like Lance Armstrong chugs Gatorade. Kind of a overly detailed theory, and seeing how it wouldn’t serve to further the plot at all… who knows
“you are indeed identifying, all by yourself, the jungian archetype of the shadow as the opposite of the human ego in the human psyche, the same collective way he originally describe it”
Not really, I was just using your terms. I’ve read a lot of Jung’s works & even have some books of his on my shelves but that doesn’t mean I buy it to his ideas. But I’m sorry if I upset you.
At all, hon, don’t worry for that. As a professional in the behavioral field myself, I understand that everyone is entitled to have and defend their POVs. And I respect that right very much. As we all do here.
*Hug!*
But before they to Fangtasia in episode 8 in season 1, Sookie tells Bill she had a dream he got on fire in her kitchen because he was caught by the sunlight. And Bill replied her that he would not burst into flames, but will be scorching slowly and die. He knew it was not about flames.
Also, please remember that the older a vampire gets, the more prone to daylight one becomes. It makes perfect sense on TB as Bill is one of the youngest vampires in the show (younger are only Pam and Jessica). Godric was 2000 years old, perhaph this is how old vampires burn. Bill being only 175 years old burned differently.
Also, when Bill wakes up because he thinks Sookie’s in danger, he looks at his watch and is only minutes before the sunset. So he waits a bit. Frustrated but he waits. When Rene is chasing Sookie it’s in the middle of the day, also she was much closer then. There was no time to wait, and she was closer, i.e. he might make it.
The theory with fairy-ear is just hopless. You’ve seen other fairies in fairy-land, none of them had elf-ears, right? The thing about being special is sure, connected with her abilities (Bill is not an idiot, before meeting Sookie face-to-face he already knew a lot about her), but it’s also because he himself was surprised by Sookie’s features such as integrity, honesty, being straightforward, brave, etc. He hasn’t met a woman in over 140 years that he’d actually feel anything for. This is why she’s special.
I, for one, was perfectly fine with Godric burning so differently. He is almost 20 times Bill’s age (I know that’s a little generous, but whatever). I don’t think the way Bill burned in season 1 had much to do with his ingestion of Sookie blood, or at least I don’t think they were thinking of that when they did it. He said, in an earlier episode, when Sookie had a nightmare where he burst into flames something along the lines of ‘it wouldn’t happen like that, at least not at first. The sunlight would severely weaken me, and . . .’ Okay, I don’t remember what he said after that, and I’m frankly too lazy to look it up . . .
And if it wasn’t Godric’s age that made him burn like that, I am partial to the theory that awesomeness is flammable.
[...] pleased to see some pointy fairy ears. Even prior to season 3 airing, I was of the opinion that Bill knew Sookie was a fairy when he was originally sent to procure her. Looking at Mr Pointy Ears, this scene in season 1 [...]
Why does everyone automatically assume its Bill it could be another vampire possibly Russell.
I’m not following you Herrick – what are we assuming about Bill that could be Russell?
I was stalking around the blog to cover the lull between seasons and stumbled on this one again. Is it exhausting being so dang smart?
Word to the wise: this blog doesn’t make the wait between seasons any shorter. If anything, it now seems further away because I’m so excited.