September 12, 2011 in 4.12 And When I Die, True Blood
Tags: Rants, S04, True Blood
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How the fuck do you forgive someone of that shit? For Real? I can get that she needs to be on her own for a while, but seriously… WTF… Eric deserved more than the few lines they had Sookie throw his way.
And lying… let’s talk about lying. Sook lied to Bill once. Bill’s whole premise into their relationship was one whooper of a lie after another. It doesn’t even compare.
especially after 2 weeks in your mind!
Eric’s lies do not compare to Bill’s and Bill’s were too numerous to count compared to Sookie’s or Bill’s. Bill didn’t do everything to protect Sookie, he did it so she wouldn’t break it off with him!
Not only that but she asked Bill for his forgiveness. I don’t know how I am supposed to deal with this fucked-up-ness. These characters have been made into a mess. It is great that Sookie is choosing to go it alone. I do not perceive that as a strong act when she acts like what Bill did to her was nothing. Give the character a little more self respect. I just think that it is insulting to women to act like the Rat’s thing was nothing. Sookie said Bill did it to protect her. Not everything he did was to protect her. It’s like the first three seasons are just ereased.
No Tb Sookie loves them both equally when there is no way in he** that this makes sense. I understand her still being in love with Bill but not to this level after everything that he has done.
They had Bill steal Eric’s amensia line too. What they reduced Eric to in that scene was despicable.
I dont know if I can and I dedicated so much time to my own blog.
Yes, I wouldn’t forgive Bill just like that and I have been in a situation of being tied to an abusive boyfriend.
I understood friendship and sexual feelings still lingering but fucking forgiving him….NO I DON’T THINK SO.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Eric and Bill are not equal. I don’t fucking care about AB’s bill-shit says.
You know hat I could kind of even deal with her forgiving him if she would just have acknowleged the Rattray incident for what it was. If she would not try to make an excuse for it by saying he did everything to proctect her. This is not true. Not everything Bill did was to protcet Sookie. Last season Eric minus the lobotomy said he did it to protect himself. Bill did not let to psycho’s beat Sookie into paralysis in the name of protection. No, Bill did not try to kill Eric to protect Sookie (why can’t she see that? Oh because of the way she is written). Bill wanted to bury his secrets so he tried to to bury Eric. I am not even going to ty to make excuses for Sookie. I do not believe that Bill would have ever told Sookie about the Rat’s.
It’s like there was some disconnect this season. Last season it seemed like the show would take one course and it just never happened.
I did want Sookie to be single at the end of this season. SVB was right Sookie did not get her deed back either.
I know I don’t think anything could make up for this. I doubt AB even cares. It just doesn’t even seem like he cares about fan (well Eric/Sookie fans). If he is not interested in doing this show anymore then he should have handed the torch to someone else. It just seems like he goes out of his way to upset fans.
I watched the entire series of Six Feet Under last summer and loved the show. I wasn’t even an AB hater. I found the Six Feet Under finale very satisfying. I was a Bill/Sookie fans when I first started watching the show (I did not know anything about the books). Therefore, I do not think I am being that biased even.
Maybe it was the writers that got amnesia.
Maybe Alan Ball just hits them repeatedly on the head with hammers between seasons saying, “We will not have strong women!! Arg!! No!! Men are strong!! Wimminz make no sense!!”
Yep, that about sums up the women on True Blood this season for me.
i agree with u on this… AB loves to upset his fans… it makes him happy:)
It’s not just Eric/Sookie fans, it’s pretty mush anyone whose a fan of things making even a little bit of logical sense.
The thing is that a lot of us are not just Eric/Sookie fans. I loved Tara in season one and they just morphed her into the eternal victim. I tried to hold out hope for Tara because I wanted her become the strong woman I know that she could be (However, the writers were not having any of that). I love other characters too.
I read somewhere that Tara was a reflection of a part of Sookie. It was predicted by a blog that in order for Sookie to regain her pre Bill strength , she would have to make a move forward that would not allow her weaknesses, her codependency for example, to rule her.tara blatently changed as spooks became more and more a puppet. It was predicted she would get killed. I am holding out my on my opinion about the show until I watch the episode again. I will miss Rutina.
Since Adele and Jesus are now spirits shouldn’t they have had the foresight to know that Tara would get injured and warn Sookie or Lala?
IDK Lala is a medium so if Tara somehow has a faint pulse maybe he can heal her. What’s the point of him being a medium/healer if he does not use it? They should have just had Eric be Lala’s maker like they talked about in season two to create a little consistency (No that storyline would be to awesome to do).
Maybe Tara could still be turned by Eric and that would create more friction between Eric and Pam. I doubt Tara would choose to be a vampire.
I don’t even know if another worse reveal next season could make up for what happened this season.
the only way this could ever be ok is if sookie never woke up from the ridiculous threesome dream and this has all been one long nightmare….i mean seriously….it astounds me that the season started of so well and ended up in a fucking pile of shit…
It all started going downhill for me in episode 8. Amnesia Eric was calling Bill a good king and that he understans why Sookie loves him. What the heck have they done with Eric now he is living up Bill’s backside like Nana said?
Why do I even want Sookie with Eric when she minimizes what Bill did to Eric (when he tried to bury him in the cement)? Sookie will never find out that Bill tried to stake Eric. Even if Sookie did find out she would forgive Bill and be okay with it. IDK.
yeah…and when she said to eric “u’ve lied to both of us so many times ive lost count” i was like WHAT?!?!?!? U BITCH! how is it the same thing at all….!?!?!? and why the fuck does it matter if he lied to bill? omg…. i think i have a fucking eye twitch.. there is no way i am ever doing this to myself again…i will youtube eric/pam scenes IF people over here say they are worth watching…if i have to see eric being buddies with bill i dont wanna watch the youtube vids either
Eric is all about being honest and truthful with Sookie. Eric has been dishonest at times but he tries to be honest with Sookie. He even told her he lied to her about not knowing what the were symbol meant. Sookie must have decide to smoke that joint that Holly had, that is the only way I can explain this fu**ery. It’s like they want this show to be cancled. Why do they have to be so disrespectful to such loyal fans? This is just insulting to are intelligence. My blood is boiling.
I am sure they will find away to obliterate the Eric/Pam flashback too. Sookie even asked Bill to forgive her. Eric was almost an afterthought in that scene. I need to just stop ranting for now.
Yeah I was thinking Sookie was being a bitch and agreeing her fairy pussy can’t be worth it. Even if drinking her blood was like having my favorite meal on earth every night, I would like to think I had some self-dignity like I imagined Eric having (though it doesn’t seem like it in this episode).
Im just as angry as C.K is. I was so loyal I had a blog myself and now I just don’t know if its even worth caring anymore after the way that scene went. Bill is not deserving of this and he’s still a king no less and now Eric is his best friend in the name of Sookie despite Bill trying to kill him multiple times and acting like Bill’s full blown minion? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.
Did you notice how she just called out Bill’s name intially when she ran to the pyre they were burning on?
Talktrueblood, I am sorry that you put so much time into your blog and you feel like you got so little pay off. I kept watching this show thinking that they would do justice to the books and the E/S relationship. I just do not feel that there will be a pay off or enough of one at this point. Maybe I will change my mind on a rewatch but IDK.
No I did not notice that she called out Bill’s name first. Everything seemed like it was happening so fast. It does not surprise me. Eric seemd like an afterthought the entire time anyway. On the couch she was looking at Bill and then she decides to tell Eric that she realizes that she can’t imagine a world without him either.
The whole episode was messed up, but i gotta say my FAVORITE part of the finale was -YES- this:
“SOOKIE!!! IM SOOO OVER SOOKIE AND HER PRECIOUS FAIRY VAGINA!! AND HER UNBELIEVABLE STUPID NAME!! F**CK SOOKIE!!
haaa! it was the only part worth it of it. They´re making her character seem like she has no dignity or self respect. Seriously AB is making me not wanna watch next season..
The last time someone mentioned how far Eric was up a king’s a** it was last season when Bill accused him of being edgington’s butt buddy. It has also been mentioned more than once that. ERic has powerful friends…bill noticed that. Queen bill has always been about power and control. That is his archillies heel just as edgington’s loverwas his. I am sure “keep.your friends close, keep your enemies closer” applies here. In flashbacks and throughout the past seasons Eric has always held loyalty as one of his inspirations. He was on his deathbed and he asked Godric about his soldiers. He was on the pure and he protects Pam. I am sure we are being asked to be too patient, but I am holding on to hope that inthe end, go
Grey will conquer black. Sook ie will always be imperfect and I amhoping she eventually shows some reason why ericshould beep loyal to her but even if she ends up losing Eric, I still have hopeHe will kick Bill’s a** both figuratively And physically. I adore your blog. It is one of my favorites. You are soo smart. Don’t give up. I am a 41 year old native nyc girl. I alongwith many people here were. Reminded that sometimes it takes 10 years to rebuild. If it wasn’t for you and a handful of other TB bloggers, I would have written the show off as a bad exampleof soft core pornography I would have NEVER watched. Thank youfor seeing beyond the picture. Don’t write it off till the end. Don’t forget, soo kie means cow and eric is a cowboy, right
Skylar, I admire your optimism.
Well, to be honest with you, if the show does end up disappointing us to the very end then I have invested too many hours and too much money being brainwashed into thinking this show is based on redemption and not. On the imagination of a nut who doesn’t see life can exist with strength and free will. I am actually cancelling my hbo subscription to be honest with you. If the show ends up returning I haven’t. Given up on it but i am enjoying the blogs more.
As Eric has repeatedly pointed out Sookie is human (well more than human) but still human so she is imperfect. You’re absolutely right. Thing is, Eric loves her flaws and all. Not so sure that Bill embraces those flaws.
Yes, I believe Eric has something up his sleeve and I don’t believe Bill is going to remain King for long. Eric is in place now more than likely because it will protect Sookie and Pam. He might be angry at Pam and Sookie but he isn’t going to let them die. He’s also probably working to remove Bill and regain his power structure in area 5 because let’s face it, TB was more interesting when Eric was in charge and Bill was running around having to bow and scrape to him. They put Bill in charge so he could push Eric around when he didn’t know who he was. That storyline has played out. Bill can’t be a “good guy” as long as he is executing people. They have to push that back on someone else. Which is probably why they brought Russell back.
I too love your optimism and I’m proud that there are people that didn’t like this and can still be optimistic after this fiasco of a finale.
Me though…I don’t have it in me to be optimistic anymore. There have been too many examples lately that True Blood doesn’t give a flying f*** about their fans or at least a large portion of their fans.
Sure, I’d like to think that there is a reason behind Eric being buddy-buddy with Beehl. But this show has taught me never to hope that there is actually a reason behind the stupid sh*t they do because 99% of the time, there is no rhyme or reason behind their crap.
If Eric is secretely plotting Beehl’s demise, then why didn’t he just stake him after Beehl had killed Nan, then Eric could go to the authority and be like hey, I just got rid of two of your problems, let’s make a deal. But wait, that couldn’t happen. That might make sense and this is True Blood! True Blood doesn’t make sense!
I don’t think he’s plotting Bill’s death, just his removal of power, which is worse for Bill just like having him lose Sookie at the end of S3 was worse.
Plus, killing Bill would drive a permanent wedge between him and Sookie. Eric, btw, has always known this unlike Bill who has been stupid enough to try and remove Eric from the equation several times by killing him. You discredit the suitor. You don’t kill. If Sookie still believes she’s gone on Bill then killing him makes him a martyr.
This is why Eric has lasted a 1000 years and why Bill is going to get himself killed unless he makes some smart friends and allies soon.
I totally agree with you. They have made a joke out of Eric! He was pathetic last night. It killed me to watch him. Ugh
I’m not sure what you mean by that but the season finale was awesome. Russell’s loose, Tara maybe dead although she got shot in the head. Debbie resurfaced Sookie’s cupboards in blood splattered brains.
I like the Eric and Bill Dynamic now that Sookie’s outta the picture. Oh yeah and Nan is a big pile of goop on Bill’s office floor, serves her right.
I really hope you were high when you watched the episode and when you come down you get to reflect on how wrong you are.
Guys, I know a lot of us are upset but let’s respect each other’s differing opinions. Thanks.
Sorry Your right It was wrong to throw my rage at any one but AB. Please disregard.
@vikingvampgirl: I think you watched a different show, I don´t know how you can like it that Eric has to listen to bill, it sickens me and Sookie forgiving bill for everything, seriously Sookie is braindead…
Umm I hated that bullshit You may have misread my post.
That is what Tracey wrote and I got chastised about criticizing.
I am glad someone enjoyed the episode that id fine Tracy. It had its few moments.
It seemed so rushed and like stuff was just thrown together and other things ended abrubtdly. It was just weird to me.
I was surprised by Steve. I thought it would be Crystal. I am disappionted that they went that route with Steve.
I am not saying I liked or enjoyed the episode though as you can see from my other posts. I am appauled by how they treated Eric’s character in the Bill/Sookie/Eric scene. It seems like they took away some of his diginity and what makes Eric, Eric ykwim. Sookie just admitted to Eric that she still loved Bill a day ago so normal Eric would have bakced off (I know Eric is changed now but not this changed). It’s horrible that they worte Eric as being willing to accept a part of Sookie.
Sookie and Eric do not even get any privacy. Heck Bill and Sookie did not even get any privacy.
He made Eric into some neutered dog and taken away most of what I loved about him. At this point, I wish Eric would just tell her to fuck off and tell Pam he’s sorry.
Also did Pam imply that Eric used to seduce and kill like Bill? What’s up with that shit?
“He made Eric into some neutered dog and taken away most of what I loved about him.”
Remember how Sophie treated Eric? He survived that. Russell and Talbot? He survived that. And 2 out of 3 are dead. He knows how to respect a position of power,and plan and act accordingly, but he is not weak. Sophie Anne literally had him by the balls once. Nan had him under house arrest. Talbot made him his he-whore. So what? I don’t think that he’s neutered. I think that he’s pragmatic. Although Sookie seems like his Achilles heel…
He’s neutered because of Sookie as I said and you seem to understand. He should stand up to her but since he’s so in love with someone that has no respect for him, he won’t. I agree he’s being pragmatic but I don’t think he should sit on a couch with give a shit eating grin at Sookies words for him when she treats him like an afterthought.
Okay. Fair enough. Definitely agree with you there.
Once I got over the initial shock of watching Eric pay Bill respect, I was alright with it. Bill is…king, after all. Even if Eric doesn’t like it, he still has to show him the respect of the position. Considering Bill has the power to have him removed as sheriff. (Or maybe not, since all his – lol – human guards are dead.) Eric always felt the social and political structure of the vamp world to be important so, playing nice with Bill didn’t bother me…much.
All those body count deaths could have been easily avoided…since they were all useless made up characters. And damnit, if I had just gotten to the point where I liked Jesus.
It amazes me how a 173 year old vampire got the drop on Nan, who we now know is 800+. True Blood logic…
There has to be some show logic to an ascension to royalty i.e the crown that we’re missing. Bill being King and having that over their heads must mean something. After all Eric was older than the Queen but he had sworn his loyalty to her therefore she was able to slap him around until he switched sides. Though I guess that was because Eric simply “let” her out of respect to her crown or so he said. Still there must be something about becoming royalty that gives you an edge over age.
I actually thought it was one of the better shows of the season, and this was not my favorite season at all. Actually, I may have liked Season 2 more than this one! I was pretty happy with the cliffhangers, enough to make me tune in next year to see how they play out. I have questions about Rev Steve though – why would he reveal he’s a vamp BEFORE getting Jason to invite him in?
About the only thing I didn’t like is that whole scene with Bill, Eric and Sookie. And it’s not because she didn’t choose either of them – I expected that, you have to keep that silly love triangle going and milk it for all it’s worth next season, after all – it was the dialogue, or some of it, which didn’t make sense to me. For example: Bill lied to protect her? Umm, no, he lied to protect himself and keep her around. It would have made far more sense to me if she’d said that they ALL lied at one time or another and all acted selfishly, because that would have been honest.
I did like how she finally admitted she loved the real Eric all along, that was nice and honest there.
As far as her forgiving Bill, the only way I can get my head around that is to figure she is doing what lots of us decide to do when we are just done with a relationship – we want to just put it behind us and that includes settling it in our heads by trying to just forgive and forget. The forgiveness is done more for ourselves than for the person we are forgiving – it is a way to move on past the hurt and no longer dwell on it. And that’s fine with me if she wants to do that, as long as she doesn’t jump back into a relationship with him anytime soon. I hope they stick to their scenario of Sookie staying on her own for awhile.
My guess is that it’s Halloween and Rev. Steve isn’t a vamp at all. It’s too … obvious for the end of a season.
I think the season finale was completely wonderful! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and YES I have read all the books. I absolutely LOVE how this is going. I have no idea which vamp I want to win which is GREAT! Also, Alan Ball successfully killed off almost every annoying character in the series which is a definite plus. I hate that Jesus died though… That made me sad.
What about when Steve Newlin shows up at Jason’s door a vampire now – now that was a funny twist, someone has a great sense of humor there! Surely that was worth noting as a highlight in an otherwise disappointing season finale.
FU AB! you are not able to maintain the coherence with what you wrote BEFORE and the mitology of the show! FU!
you murdered the SVM caracteres! FU!
I HATE YOU ALAN BALL!
WTF indeed…Sookie has obviously had an offscreen lobotomy!!!
I can’t even believe that she would forgive Bill. Sook has no hind sight. And comparing Eric’s lying and her lying to Beehls lying is just nonsense. NONSENSE I SAY!
But the return of Newlin and Edgington. Yes Please!
All of this was nonsense…
it’s can so awry I cant even describe it!
Exactly!!! 100% nonsense, waste of my time. AB is going to fuck up season 5. I have no desire to watch that fuckery next year.
AB, RU fucking high? So, Sookie tells them both to f off and then 10 seconds later Tara gets shot in the head and we’re left with “Somebody help me!” Wow, guess who’ll show up to help that lives right across the graveyard? F’in Bill! My God, how low has this show sunk! I knew she wasn’t going to pick Eric but to have him hang on her every word like a gd puppy dog looking for scraps is just insane. Run, Eric, far,far away! Bill can have her!
My god damn thoughts also!! TB Sookie can have Beeelll, she doesn’t deserve Eric AT ALL period. FU AB and HBO suits that once again signed for another season, you all just never learn do you.
THANK GOD TARA personality/ Chracter is DEAD on TB ( regarding Sookie’s “Sybil traits”….
Jesus is DEAD.. Sookie doesnt look at Eric (symbolically or anything else as Jesus)..
Pam is pissed off that her Maker is so hooked on a non educated- small town twit.. ( i cant blame her)..
Jesica is telling Jason after a roll in the back of his truck, that she doesnt want to be in a serious relationship… HAHAHAHA !!! SMALL TOWN HOES get to dump the Jock..
I actually found that Jesus scene sad. Oh man what they did to Lala.
They had him kill his boyfriend while he was possessed. Then, his cousin gets murdered (I guess but maybe she still has a faint pulse and will get turned probably by Bill if she does). I always held out hope for Tara. I hate how they ruined that character.
i wasent affected by Jesus’s death by Laffy.. it is what it is ( i expected more death in the finale to be honest)..
Sam will end up being Alcide’s sidekick once he becomes Packmaster in s5.. Sookie will end up meeting the Tiger i speculate & start dating him.. & all he has to do is take her to the movies & she consider’s them a couple.. Pammy is still annoyed with Sookie & the rationale behind Eric falling for this chick.. so she will tell Sook her turning story & might as well throw some things in Sookie’s face about what Eric has done for her.. Russell is back & he knows where Sookie lives.. thank goodness for Sookie’s sake that King Billy lives next door to her & Eric is 22 miles away in Shrevport..**giggle**
Sookie doesnt process stuff to well.. but i will give her this she loves pussy men ( Beeelll when he didnt have any power, Eric when he was AE, & now Quinn the real pussy Cat always in debt to Vamps).. what is Sook to do?? ooh yea, she can walk next door to King Billy’s house & simply ask him for help after she dumbed him & asked for his forgivness, & told Eric she lied ..WOW !! as Steve Newlin asked in s2 “What do they see in you”?? Pammy is seeking for answer’s as well…
I am seething!!!! Yes it’s great that Russell and Newlin will be back. But the characters I loved Eric/Sookie/Pam… they are not the characters I loved before. They have been butchered, all to serve up queen Bill!
The writing this season has been so off, it’s been ridiculous with all their plot holes.
The only thing I wanted so I could watch next season was for Sookie to acknowledge the Rattrays reveal for what it was. She didn’t. That means I’m out!
I’m so glad I have the books though.
me as well!
Our favorite characters are meaningless as characters after this season.
And Sookie has no freaking respect on this show.
gah I hope that’s not all I have left myself but it seems more and more likely everyday.
That’s all I wanted to Freyja. I wanted Sookie to aknowleged that the Rattray incident happend (I could even accept Sookie forgiving Bill for it) but that she can never forget what he did to her. I did not want her to make excuses either. What did Sookie do? She made excuses and made light the the entire situation and even asked him for forgive her.
I expected and even wanted Sookie to be single.
Well, it’s official- I will not be paying for cable to watch season 5.
This season has been a big let down. I’m happy that Newlin and Edgington are back though.
yeah but agreed….how can I focus on plots alone when they butchered my favorite characters!
oh there is not a chance in hell i am renewing my subscription.
This season started off sooo great, only to feel like you skied downhill…
agreed. it’s like they sacrificed the characters in the name of the plot.
I want all the time I wasted watching this crap back.
I was happy she choose herself. I wish the writers understood that we are ok with her feelings for Bill but she didn’t have to forgive him. That was just bullshit. What the hell did they do to Eric? I mean to act like that is a Bill move. Just WTF…
I am so with Pam….
I think is kind of natural, but i personally wouldn’t do it… anyway she can forgive that mother fucker but hook up w Eric..just don’t get it she is too fucking dumb as usual! From now on i’m gonna be Pam’s team!
Amen SVB you couldn’t have put it better. What the fuck was the whole point of the Ratt Reveal only for Sookie to forgive him. (and in the space of what a week in Sookie time since she discovered the truth). I am livid. The writing has been off since episode. I have unliked TB on Facebook and will encourage friends to do the the same.
So much for everybody who said the only reason she still had lingering feelings for Bill was because she hadn’t had time to process everything.
She doesn’t have time to get angry, but she can go all the ay to forgive? There was never any great consideration for Sookie’s feelings or her grieving process. They weren’t trying to portray the natural reaction a young woman would have to being betrayed by her first love. She was a plot device this entire season to prop Bill up.
I also don’t think the show ever meant to show the effects of domestic abuse. At one point I honestly thought that but now I don’t. Especially since TB has managed to tone down the abuse and show the abuser as being noble. It’s a damn shame. This show had so much potential.
I used to think there was some sort of domestic violence social commentary going on, too. This show does not aspire to such lofty aspirations. All flash, no substance.
Big hat, no cattle.
A-FUCKING-MEN….I abjure you Alan Ball. Sookie is NOT this weak, pitiful character. Shame on you.
Agree with this. The whole time frame from Episode 1 has let the season down. Everyone else except Sookie had a year to move on, it just stinks. Sookie should be in a mental asylum for all that has happened to her in an 9 week or so period. I know I would be. The writers seem to think that we forget points like this, but we don’t. TV for smart people, yeah right.
Yup Yup and Yup to the three of u
ITA!!! I watch you no longer, I talk about you no longer, I recommend you to friends no longer…..
FORGIVE? I knew it was going there after AB said “anyone is capable of receiving forgiveness” as part of his Buddhist mantra…but seriously…NOW???
Exactly. Im so disgusted.
I would be okay with Sookie forgiving Bill at some point but not so much after a week. How can you forgive a paerson for an act when you refuse to acknowledge that act at all (or for what it was)? Sookie is still making excuses for Bill’s behavior.
First fuck you for ruining another season. Fuck you to the people that say It can’t be just like the books. Fuck you to AB for turning My hero into an asshole, My Heroin into a Stupid C*** and for not sending the Douche bag to Peru. I’m all done with crap for now. I will start my rereading of the series like a rape victim takes a shower.
you described my absolute horror.
So this Vikingvampgirl so this!
Vikingvampgirl u took the words outta my head….my very very rage blinded head…
I know about the rage, let the heavy drinking commence.
Ditto!!! Alan Ball you suck ass! I would be PISSED if I was Charlaine Harris. Douchebag!
Books can be adapted. They did a somewhat reasonable job with the Harry Potter series. They weren’t perfect but at least the characters were recognizable. Granted, some stuff just can’t be adapted due to technology limitations but JFC. I fail to see how it’s impossible to adapt female characters to the screen.
alan ballsack purposely does these things to get us all enraged and laugh at our rants. fuck you alan ballsack. fuck. you.
Congratulations AB…Sookie’s character has been solidified as a brainwashed victim of abuse. The fact that she cannot discern the difference between Bill’s disgusting betrayal and her lies to him makes me nauseous. Her character has been so degraded…that she would actually BELIEVE that he was “protecting” her. I won’t even get into the OOC behaviors of Eric during that scene. Any greatness in that episode, was sullied by that Ballshit.
The Bill/Sookie/Eric scene was ridiculous. I knew it wasn’t a dream, but it really could have passed for one. I really have no words. HATED that she fogave Bill, WTF? I can not get past that.
it seemed like a dream at first, since it was so surreal for those characters to act that way. very disappointed when it turned out to be real, i’m like WAKE UP WAKE UP PLEASE
One of the most ridiculous parts about it was to have Eric and Bill in matching robes…. I mean WTF? The whole scene was beyond horrible. Her feeding them both at the same time, her forgiving Bill, Eric begging…. it was all gross. And I’m not even one who has an issue that they strayed from the books. Not at all. But this, this, was absolute crap.
TBH, I liked everything else about the finale.
The matching robe scene was ridiculous for all sorts of reasons but mainly the fact that Bill’s robe happens to fit Eric. So unless Bill is entertaining male callers of Eric’s size? I just don’t get it.
Yes Sookie should be on her own. NO SHE SHOULD NOT FORGIVE BILL! And Eric being reduced to a puppy-dog? Fuck that noise.
Happy about Russell being back, legitimately surprised about Steve Newlin, hope that Tara stays dead but not bloody likely.
Honestly, I don’t know if I’ll be watching next summer. I already know that I’ll have a busy schedule with school stuff so it’s probably going to be easier to just not bother. By blood pressure will be better off as well.
This episode just ruined the high I got from seeing Alex in Toronto this weekend. FUCK YOU ALAN BALL!
Never let pointless writing take away your Alex high!! He wins all on his own
The anger will fade long before the Swedish Contact High, I’m sure.
this is a winner writer? who writes this shit? and not thinking about continuity, integrity, loyalty to the source material, the characters, he murdered Sookie and Eric.
Have at least the decency to be consistent with what you wrote yourself, dammit!
Whoops. let them know what I think of Season 4. I suggest you all do the same. I’d like to bomb them with FU Alan Ball emails.
Nah, I wouldn´t do that, because they won´t read those, I am going to write to HBO and tell them about what ball has done wrong…he f*cked up the source material…
true! better we write in HBO… they will read it there! maybe!
Hey, LovetheViking, I’m with you. I’m gonna unlike it too.
you all know bill is AB’s butt boy
I actually liked the finale. Well some of it at least. If you read the books, then you know she is alone at the end of book, season, 4. Enter Quinn,(God, I hope not). She will end up with Eric eventually if AB is smart and follows the books. We can only hope.
I am glad Debbie is dead and she only hesitated a moment before pulling the trigger.
I have a question though, why didn’t Lala hear all this happening, or was it just to quick? On Nan…She said there were factions that were not going along with the AVL, and that Eric understood this..HMMM, Wonder if that is who his friends in high places were that Bill was talking about earlier in the season. Also I think she was the one that let Russell out. He was against the AVL and Authority so a 3000 yr old Vampire would be a great help to her and he could get rid of Bill and Eric if they didn’t agree with her.
I’ll be curious to see if season 5 will be about book 6 and the trial will be for Russell
instead of QSA. Steve Newlin? All I can say is WTH???
Sorry but I liked the finale better than some of the previous episodes but I don’t like she forgives Bill. Smarten up Sook, Eric is the Vamp for you.
PS If you don’t want him, I’ll be happy to take him!!!
I’m still amazed at the absolute mess this season has managed to turn into.
Everything is so OFF I don’t even know what to say. No words left.
Dead to the World/Book 4 is, in my opinion, the best book in the series. How did it get so messed up?
Agreed! I loved Book 4. Have very mixed feelings about the finale.
Saint Bill. Unfuckingbelievable.
You’re on the same level as Bill, Eric.
What was the purpose of Amnesia Eric? She forgave him his past deeds long enough to sleep with him, but now their history is an issue… the hell?
And Eric doesn’t even take Debbie’s bullet. (Apparently we needed to be surprised).
This show just.. sucks.
Agreed Serena. The books do one thing so on this show they have to do the complete opposite. Ie Bill had no real role in Book 4. Let’s make him King. Eric not remembering his Amnesia so lets make him remember. It just makes me what to throw something (or drink copious amounts of alcohol).
It makes me want to pack up my DVDs and mail them back to HBO.
I don’t need this crap.
let me know if u get ur money back….cuz i want to do it too
Only way I am buying S4 is if it gets marked down to $9.99.
Actually, strike that. I rather my TB DVD collection end with the Rat Reveal.
thankfully I did not buy any DVD, I was hoping the series finale, but now do not need more!
just not to forget: FU AB!
I had to buy books for school over the weekend so I put the purchase of the S1-3 DVDs off. Thank GOD. Now I can voice my displeasure by not buying any True Blood merchandise. HAH.
Never thought I’d be happy about paying for tuition and books.
maybe u can do that! and write a letter then… just so they know how we hated what they did to the show.
Exactly exactly OMFG I’m speechless at the HBO suits for allowing this to happen and then sign the idiot for another season.
Well, I’m not holding the HBO executives responsible for this. They’re there to make $$$ and couldn’t care less how a show develops, as long as it pulls in the ratings. I DO hold AB and the writers responsible for such fuckery. I don’t have a problem with Sookie’s lingering feelings for Bill. I have a HUGE problem with a woman who was outright lied to and in a relationship started in deception telling the perpetrator “Oh, that’s OK. I lied too. So did he. We’re all even now, it’s all hunky dory. K bye!” WTF? Are these writers smoking crack?
Well, the suits are responsible to an extent if they’ve let AB run rampant with the creative property of CH and destroy an existing fanbase to the point that he runs ratings into the ground. They do have a responsibility to keep him somewhat in check. He may have creative license but they are writing the checks for his show.
If he’s working his own agenda to promote a storyline that CH didn’t write and it takes the show down? They won’t be happy so yes, it’s their responsibility. That’s what being an executive is all about. Managing those out of control creative types and making sure they don’t sink your baby and cost you money.
I agree. HBO is just going to look at the ratings being up this year, so they will think season five will be even better. They need to know that the majority of us are through with the show due to a lack of continuity of the storyline in this show, the tremendous need to suspend all logic to watch this show, making an abusive partner the hero of the show, and totally destroying the character of the three main leads of the show.
Plus, if Eric turns out not the be the HEA of the SVMs, then I would also blame Ball for that. It seemed obvious for most of the books that Eric was the man, but since AB came into the picture, Charlaine appears to be drifting away from this foregone conclusion.(I sure hope I am wrong here as I would hate to be slapped in the face by both TB and SVM.)
Well, there are always DVD pre-orders and subscription fall off numbers as indicators of dissatisfaction but these guys appear to be so arrogant that I doubt they’d accept the fall off as an indication of their writing and probably blame it on piracy or the economy.
I doubt CH will be influenced by AB. I can see where they would keep the two series separate and where CH might make that distinction if AB absolutely went off the rails but I don’t think she’d allow AB to influence how she ended a series she worked so many years on simply because AB has a hard on for Bill. There’s selling the rights for your series to HBO and then there’s maintaining artistic integrity and artistic freedom over your original product.
This is just unbelievable how they just ignore the Rattray event. I just got done watching the finale and Sookie makes everyones offences seem equal. Well they are F-king not equal. I wish they never even did the Rattray incident if they are going to act like it was nothing. Sookie even asked Bill for his forgiveness! OMG they had Eric trying to convince Sookie to be with him. He sounded like amensia Eric. Bill stole amnesia Eric’s line telling Sookie to go be with Eric if he makes her happy. I recall amnesia Eric saying the same thing. I do not want Eric graveling at Sookie’s feet begging her to be with him that is not Eric Northman. He should still be BAMF in her presence. Sookie is never going to close the door on Bill. It still did not happen. I am glad Sookie chose to be single but the way it went down. I feel this just completely cheapens the Eric/Sookie relationship and everything that they have in the books. I can barely take this stuff serious anymore.I feel so disconnected with this show. I do not like how they are potraying Eric around Sookie. He seems like amnesia Eric where is the BAMFness areound Sookie. I can’t even.
I can understand the situation if they would have stopped at the cheating, draining or even procuring but not the Rattray incident. I remember that it happened even though AB and the writing team down play the event and act like it was nothing.
Sookie and Eric can never even have their own conversation without Bill be involved somehow.
Poor Pam. I hate how they make it seem like Eric is choosing Sookie over Pam. At least Pam made sense and was in character.
I am so beyond pissed right now. Again I am glad that Sookie chose to go it alone. However, I hate how they make it seem like Eric and Bill’s offences are equal.
I do not want Eric pining away like some puppy dod WTH!!!! I hated that couch scene when they were both feeding on her.
Sookie even asked Bill for his forgiveness!
Yeah, just on that.
WHAT THE HELL does Sookie need Bill’s forgiveness for?
Is it not ENOUGH that she’s been made a total doormat for his sake for 4 SEASONS? Now she’s grovelling for his forgiveness as well?
They’re all insane. How can you even really care about what happens to her any more?
Anyone who moves through the seven stages of grief that fucking quickly needs an honorary degree in psychology or a one way ticket to the enlightenment club. FORGIVENESS is the last fucking stage. NOT THE FIRST. Ugh.
I’ve been wracking my brain for the past hour on this. Apparently falling in love with someone else and telling a tiny lie to protect him requires forgiveness even after the ex-boyfriend let you get beaten within an inch of your life right after you met, lied to you, killed your uncle (all be it he was a pedophile), lied to you again, got you in one mess after another, oh wait, he lied to you again, pretty much drained you dry… and the list goes on.
If grief is the last fucking stage, I won’t be forgiving AB for a long time. I’m grieving how he destroyed book Sookie, and Eric, and Pam.
oops, I meant forgiveness is the last stage, I’m so angry I can’t even type.
she should ask us for forgiveness for making us put up with her weak ass drama…
It’s a shame they didn’t have Ghost Uncle Bartlett show up. Sookie finally could have asked him for forgiveness for making him molest her.
and rene the ghost should have come on over to sooks so she could ask HIM for forgiveness for him wanting to murder her…
Don’t forget the Mayned for wanting to poison her and destroy her house that Eric then fixed up for her.
And Russell for wanting to drink her fairy blood and hold her captive! Oh wait… they DID bring him back. What do you know!
i still dont understand why Sookie is asking Billy for forgiviness?? unless she is asking him to forgive her for fucking his minion AE/ Eric when he was busy being King over the state.. besides she did go to him at the start of the season asking for his HELP because Eric owned her house..
Gee, what is the world comming to .. Gran can snatch spirits out of ppl & send important messages like “it’s okay to be alone, & dont give your heart to the new dude”.. But continue loving the ass hole/ rapist/ the dude that had you beat..yada,yada,yada !!
Exactly…..and Tara should apologize to Franklin for making him rape her too. And Jason should apologize to all the Hot Shot women for how he treated them in the sack…..
Pam and Eric will be okay. He is going to need Pam. I can’t believe she forgave Beel. She told Eric they were done. She did not tell Beel they were done. She said she wasn’t choosing either of them. I’ll put money on it that by the end of next season she’s back with Queen Beel. I think I’m going to be sick! Not only does Waiting Suck, but so does Alan Ball!
at least now.. im not excited for the next season then. last time i was really on to it… but now doesnt care about it anymore… they can show the next season even after 2 years.. and make AP pregnant that time then:)
i said last week that Eric will end up back at Fangtasia with Pam.. all that “I will kill you Bull shit” is over rated on TB..**giggle**
Pam is awsome IMO & regardless of her & Eric’s issues with “Fucking, killing, & eating Modles & sharing lover’s (according to Pam in s3 E/P share like they did with Yvetta).. this is simply more reason for Pammy to spill some beans in s5 about what Eric really did for Sook..
Pam could tell Sookie that Eric spared Jason’s life. He was involved in Eddies death and Jason is lucky that Eric was the vampire in charge of that area.
I’ve yet to watch the episode but judging by everyone’s reaction… MAN am I glad I cancelled my HBO subscription after the third season and instead opted to watch this one through other not-so-legal means. Think happy thoughts y’all!
smart girl! i wish i had done that.
I did the same thing and am so glad! I really was hoping that some how they would pull me back, but I decided after last week that I was done with the show after this season and they just completely solidified my decision tonight. FU YOU ALAN BALL!!
I am wondering why they even did the whole amnesia stuff, Sookie is probably going to run back to bill, sorry but the show wwill lose a lot of viewers now, that is just too much crap…
WTF, this shitty ending gave me a headache. I was bored out of my mind throughout the whole damn episode. I can’t believe sookie forgave that scumbag like it was no big deal. But whatever, I cease to care for the dumbass blond. I feel bad for Eric, I don’t think he’ll be the same anymore that’s why I’m quitting this lame ass show. AB SUCKS!!!!! SO LONG TRUE BLOOD. HELLO GOT.
GOT is so much better, at least the writers know what they are doing…
yes, GOT I am actually looking forward to. and Dexter. i finally had HBO this year (free for a year) but when the trial runs out i’m not going to renew.
You got that right, they killed one of the most important characters on the show and I applaud them for taking that risk. Unlike Ball, who undoubtedly has a crush on Billy. Can anyone tell me any cliffhangers that were interesting because I sure as hell couldn’t.
This was the most disturbing hour of t.v. that I have ever watched. Eric has been effed every step of the way in the series and I was expecting the same mind-eff of Bill taking Eric’s role in the Debbie Pelt/save Sookie kill. I’ve wanted Tara to die since Season 1 but not as a tragic hero and how were Bill and Eric across the lawn/cemetery and didn’t know that shite was going down? I didn’t mind the Sookie going to be alone and find herself but how did the rest of that go down? Forgive Bill? Tara as a hero? Don’t get it.
i cant get over that whole he lied to protect me blah blah ballshit….and she forgives him…honey i dont think that man ever even bothered asking for ur forgiveness……weak ass bullshit.im sorry…but they dont deal with bill issues at all..and suddenly out of no where she forgives him…….HARD TO SWALLOW…. theres only so much ballshit a show can take… saving graces….russels back…and steve newlins a vamp.I TRY to believe in forgiveness for the most heinous of deeds…when someone works towards it and asks for forgiveness and when a realistic amount of time goes by for the victim to actually make a decision AFTER processing things. and that goes for EVERY character on the show.
i dont really care if down the line she forgave him and blah blah IF he had asked for it or tried to explain himself…but he didnt. and also….WHEN did this supposed love he feels for her start,when did it become about protecting her?it definitely wasnt when he got the rattrays to beat her almost to death….im not asking for her to hate him and scream at him a la s3 finale forever…i like a little cohesiveness and sense in my stories…i think the smartest thing shes done all season is pick neither vamp.but her reasoning sounds like denial and lies that shes telling herself….u should never be the one making excuses for other peoples lies when u have been the victim…its a problem.
i cant fucking believe we are supposed to sit here and take it if she levels the playing field by saying THEY ALL LIED!! im sure coby and lisa have lied to arlene…is bill as bad as them..or vise versa? fucking hell…i cant believe i watch this show! i can watch Alex scenes on youtube..i am not paying to swim in a pile of crap 12weeks a yeah. sookie as a heroine is probably the worst thing on earth…and i cant believe im saying this…but Bella from the Twilight movies is better..at least she has the excuse of being a silly teen. give me a fucking break…i could go on..but its just making me madder…so i just unfollowed and unliked TB…and that didnt help…somebody give me FIVE minutes alone with AB and i’ll get my point across WITH OUT using violence like his beloved bill.
i cant believe some moron managed to screw up characters like pam eric and sookie……that takes work and dedication.
Fuck this shitty episode so very much. So much lame. And Sookie asking Bill for forgiveness and claiming Bill only lied to protect her? Bill’s lies endangered her. If Bill told her the truth about the AVL, Queen, Authoriteh and MYSTERIOUS FUCKING FACTIONS she’d have been much safer because she could have taken some measures to protect herself, or at least know what to look out for. And if he wanted to lie to protect her then he could have called her after he hit Mississippi, broken up with her properly, told her that he stormed out of the restaurant because he was pissed she didn’t accept her proposal and that she would be in danger if she came after him because she won’t be welcome. That’s a lie that protects someone. Not telling her the blood causes feelings of sexual attraction or that he was forced to let the Ratt’s beat her so that he could procure her? That just protects his ability to keep her.
See, you seem to have common sense. But poor Sookie, she seems to have completely lost her mind.
for all that is sacred! why Sookie had to apologize to Bill?? she did nothing wrong! was that douchebag, who used her, drained her, manipulated her.
this season finale was a complete upset when it comes to storyline development and character fruition. Even the way they were advertising how the ep was going to go, was blatantly lying. I expected more characters to die. I am not disappointed with who died but i thought they couldda thrown two more under the bus.
As for character development, the tore EVERYONE apart. They made Sookie appear to be so desperate and weak. The outcome did make sense to me, saying no to both but HOW they did it was stupid. Thus far the only one character to stay true to grit was Alcide.
For a season finale, this was absolute crap and disappointing. As it stands, i would be happy with season 5 being the end of it all if this is what we’ve come to expect as a product in the end.
According to Scott Winant on the Inside the Episode, Bill is the “stoic and principled guy” while Eric is “selfish and self-involved.”
ORLY? Bill lied about the Ratts because he’s ‘stoic.’ He was ‘principled’ enough to have hired them to beat up Sookie in the first place.
Are we watching the same show the writers are? What the absolute flippity fuck?
it seems that all the writers have taken Alan Balls Bill pills…ugh…
What the fuck? I don’t understand where they are coming from at all. How could they have watched bill this entire season and think he is “principled”?
No, you see, because he let Eric go after Eric showed himself to be the better man – even though he had no memories and gave Bill the IDEA that Sookie should be happy with whoever she wanted even if it wasn’t HIM – made Bill stoic and principled.
And I guess Eric spending most of the season without his memories made him selfish and self involved. And the fact that he spent a good part of last season trying to protect Sookie & Pam and avenge his family made him selfish and self-involved. And that he tried to atone for what he did to Lafayette? The fact that Bill tried to bury him in concrete to prevent Eric from revealing what he knew? I guess that also makes Bill stoic and principled.
Our values must be ALL screwed up.
OMFG……are we even in the same dimension?!?!? what the BLOODY fuck?!
Ah so the truth is the writers are billusional.
Oh hale naw! He literally came out and said that? It baffles me that they gave Bill the Rattray Reveal when his book character was legitimately innocent of it. At least then I could *almost* excuse them calling him stoic and principled. It’s obvious now that pinning the whole thing on him during that last finale was only for shock value and ratings.
The Ratt reveal meant nothing.
It was a ploy to keep ELs on the hook, after the dungeon chaining of S3.
This is why they spoiled the amnesia story right out of the gate too.
They don’t care what we think as long as we watch.
exactly the rat reveal happened just to keep the eric fans watching, just like the amnesia storyline, which was constantly interrupted by bill and his stupid actions… and they did the same again, its obvious that ball sees bill the abuser and sookie as soulmates, so for now he makes sookie single so that it looks like she could also go back with eric later on, which, and I am pretty sure about this, is not going to happen…they just want to have the eric fans continue watching their crap, but no, this time they really will lose a lot of fans…
if they dont care! then we better not watch the show then! lets see what AB and HBO will do this time!
Also, AB mentioned the Pam/Eric flashback at Comic Con to string E/S fans along. In addition, they made a point of having Sookie tell Jason that it takes a long long long time to get over someone you love so deeply (I guess this is supposed to give E/S fans hope that someday Sookie will be over Bill). This stuff rings hollow anymore. It’s the boy who cried wolf one to many times.
That bullshit line “It takes a long long long time to get over someone you love so deeply” is full of it…Since when? I’ve said before on Facebook, been there done that. And I didn’t go back asking for no damn forgiveness either. Sookie is a weak, very weak female. That I cannot get behind. AB mentioning Eric/Pam flashback is probably because once again he will do something fucked up and out of character when it comes to them two.
Me either. I forgave and asked forgiveness at the time I got divorced and then I never saw the person again. That was it. I wanted it over and I needed to move on. Yes, I did ask forgiveness because I did do things and no, he didn’t ask for forgiveness but I gave it if only to make him feel like a shit because his shit was way worse than my shit. Sadly, I don’t think that’s why Sookie did this.
If it had been, I would have been absolutely in Sookie’s corner.
This right here just made my decision for me, seriously. I was going to try and be call, but THAT is fucking BULLSHIT. Seriously. I’m done.
Bill is stoic and principled? Oh really? What about the scenes with Lorena? That brutal sex scene and then he called Sookie to break up with her (because I guess being gentle was just not good enough)? And then later he punches Lorena in the face to get her out of his room? Oh yeah. Stoic and principled. How could I miss it.
He is just an equal opportunity abuser!
Don’t forget letting Tara get raped repeatedly while being held captive.
I totally forgot about that. He knew Tara was being brutalized and did absolutely nothing to help her. This character is “stoic and principled?” Do these writers just hate women?
Women and strong, decent men? Yes. But rapists and lying, cheating thugs are a-okay.
One of the things that really bothered me was when Tara explained her situation with Franklin (and mentioned that Bill did not lift a finger to help her) and Sookie did not even say anything to Bill about it. However, Sookie was all over Eric for leaving her and Bill to rot at Russell’s. When Eric was trying to protect Sookie the enitre time.
That is funny because Bill repeated what amnesia Eric said to him about Soookie. It was not even Bill’s own words to Sookie when he said to go with Eric and be happy. Amnesia Eric was the one who taught him that lesson. I am sick and tired of this.
I am tired of getting pennies and trying to turn them into gold. They had Eric willing to accept scraps from Sookie in this episode. I makes me sick.
Is Scott on drugs?
Is everyone at True Blood on drugs?
Am I on drugs?
Why they constantly got to fuck with the fans? We’re just trying to love you and you’re making it impossible. We see you trollin’, and we be hatin’.
“We see you trollin’, and we be hatin’.”
Love it! I wonder sometimes do the actors have any say in what is written. If they do, then some of the blame needs to go to them as well. I could not allow someone to screw up my character like the way they do. Eric was pathetic and that made me depressed.
I think AB wanted to create this show to reedeem Bill. Since Bill becomes a minor character in the books, maybe AB felt that he got short changed.
I just find this so insulting to Sookie’s character and Eric’s. I can’t even believe what they are doing to Eric.
Pam/Sookie- have developed a beautiful relationship in the books. They can’t stand each other in the show. Pam/Eric were on the out s in the books because Pam valued Sooie’s friendship. Eric/Pam are on the out in the show because Pam tried to save him from a illogical suicide attempt. Now Eric is all about Sookie. I don’t think Sookie and Pam will ever be close like in the books. Why should they? Sookie just repeatedly stramples on Eric’s heart.
Eric/Sookie- Even if they do ever get together, I do not think that there is enough time to undo this damage. I doubt that there is enough time to explore a relationship with them. The progress they had in there relationship seems ereased. Eric and Sookie can never have a good relationship because Bill will always be in the middle. Sookie mentioned that it will take a long long time to get over someone (I guess this is supposed to make us want to continue watching the show).
She will probably ge back together with Bill.
I don’t even want Eric and Sookie together if they are going to continue this absurd so called love triangle that does not make much sense (maybe it’s just me though). The Eric/Sookie relationship has already lost value at this point. This love triangle has become a farce.
I said it before it’s like the boy who cried wolf one to many times at this point.
I am sorry I keep ranting about this. Does AB want this show to go down in flames?
keep going, is good for you and us to rant.!
I do not know what would I be if it were not for my sisters sookieverse you, thank you.
and: FU AB!
Thank you Lyta. It is like AB is Bill and we are all Sookie’s sticking around. Maybe those rumors about a conflict between AB and HBO were true. It just seems like they said “Oh to hell with it this season”. This season had potential and had some good moment but it was all shot to hell. How did it go from that wonderful roof top scene with Godric/Eric/Sookie and the E/S connection from that (the wonderful Eric/Sookie dream after Godric death) to Bill and Eric sitting in pj’s having a slumber party (with Sookie’s blood as a refreshment). Now Bill and Eric are besties? Nan pretty much summed it up before she met the True Death. They were both acting like puppy dogs.
No, I’ve made up my mind. I definitely do not want Eric with Sookie at all.
The fact that Book-Pam disobeyed Eric and went to great lengths to let Sookie KNOW that trouble was coming with Freyda was a sign of a great friendship. Not this crap.
You know what, the writer’s could easily kill Sookie and I don’t think I’d care. How sad is that?
I agree with you, Brenda. TB Eric seems complex and conflicted about rights/wrongs. TB Sookie seems like an immature, ridiculous character.
Just a thought maybe Eric is going to take Pam on holiday to Peru next year. It sounds like something AB would do.
haha, why not! and leave snookie and truebill together.. and let all those BL watch the show then.
well than the show will have perhaps a few thousand fiewers, who even gives a shi*t about Sookie and Bill, probably just paquin moyer fans, don´t even get what is so interesting about their relationship, even as a neutral viewer people got sick of them in season 2 and season 3 everyone was completely annoyed by them…
I don’t know if AB wants TB to go down in flames or if he is not able to do it better. I liked the first season of “Six feed under” a lot, but the others (for me) were crap. Seems AB has only good ideas for a short time or he looses interest in his work too soon. At least I had 3 enjoyable seasons of TB though I will miss my AS/Eric a lot .
I am at work reading all of this and freaking out (I won’t get to watch the episode until later this evening). Please please tell me its not true – that AB/TB actually have Sookie asking Bill for forgiveness? That Eric and Bill are buddies now? I feel sick…
Wish I could offer you some kind of comfort. Nelsan was pretty awesome in this episode if that gives you something to look forward to. Hands down the best of the night.
I still can’t get over how they made Eric look in that scene from start to finish. And Sookie getting turned on by both of them feeding from her…just terrible. I can’t believe what they have done to Sookie, Eric, and Pam. Just awful.
The threesome feeding scene was a travesty.
What they’ve done to Eric is a CRIME.
I really don’t know what to say.
krtmd, you’ve pretty much expressed my thoughts. I’m completely dumbfounded.
Sookie forgives Bill. For everything. Asks for HIS forgiveness. For what, we have NO IDEA.
Well, for sharing her tasty fairy blood with him, of course.
Because it obviously makes them stupid!
For not being and even bigger doormat and daring to move on and have a relationship with someone? For daring to protect someone Bill setup and was trying to kill? For not being handy the next time Bill needed to attack someone and drain them dry?
I don’t even know.
Ya, you are going to want to get sick!
Well thanks for the warning ladies – I’ve just watched it and at the final whistle, I just feel numb. sigh. I hate what they’ve done to Eric, Pam and Sookie. Eric and Sookie in particular. Is this post amnesia Eric (integrated Eric?) for real? I just can’t believe that Sheriff Northman would have allowed his pride to be battered in that way with Bill there. No.Fucking.Way. If it was him and Sookie alone, maybe, although I still don’t like the way they’ve written him – but to have Eric virtually beg Sookie infront of Bill? No. Just no. What they’ve done to Eric’s character is a travesty. Oh, I’ll still probably watch S5, because I can’t not watch ASkars. But my emotional investment in Eric and Sookie’s relationship arc….has pumelled to earth like a frickin lead ballon. THanks AB/TB, for destroying my ladyboner for my ‘ship. Job well done.
As for Bill, I couldn’t give a shit – he will always be the fucker that let Sookie get beaten. I will never forget that even if Alan Ball and the TB team have.
Alan Ball, I abjure you. I see you no more. I share Sunday nights with you no more. I share sexy dreams of Sookie and Eric with you no more. Wait, you never HAD sexy dreams of Sookie and Eric… not in the true spirit of the books. Ms Harris has said that Ball has creative license over the show, as long as he maintains the integrity and the true spirit of the books. Well, that has just been blown to hell. Makes me sick!
Beautiful, by the way. Great post! LMAO.
LMAO! That Alcide scene was so weird to me. Suddenly Alcide forgot he was acting in True Blood and slipped into Shakespearean dialogue, apparently.
I could rip Alan Balls fuckin BALLS out and feed them to him, I am so pissed. Hubby’s like I didn’t realize you were so into the story going by the book. WEll WTF? I am addicted to Eric/Sookie fanfics and he doesn’t think I am into following the plot in the book. Seriously. Anyway, I am so pissed, I really could care less about Season 5. Obviously Sookie will end up with Alcide or Sam. Fuck a duck Alan Ball and your stupid interpretation of Charlaines books.
same here… i think most of the fans doesnt care about the next season… but im thinking AB would give us this short episodes, going for sookieric fans, cuz im sure he knows we hated him for what he did. but im not gonna fall for it anymore… its just like what he did we the ratt reveal its just to keep EL to watch the show.
I seriosly now just wish that the show gets cancelled, Alan Ball would deserve it, this sh*t is just not believable anymore, and Alex does deserve better, he has a lot of film projects going on I rather want to see him in this than this Ballsh*t…
Alex does seem to really love Eric and Eric/Pam’s relationship and it is sad that AB seems to be damaging Eric’s character. I do understand that Eric is supposed to be different after the amnesia but not to this extent. Maybe AB wants the show to be cancled. IDK.
I just feel so let down as well in the fact that Book 4 could have been epic on tv as it had a great plot, plus being told that bookies would be happy this season. Thus bookies are the unhappiest this season, because our heroine has been trashed by Ballshit.
Agree Lyta Sookie has nothing to apologise for and how can they think that we would think this rubbish is acceptable???? After 4 seasons of putting up with Bill (yes this was meant to be Eric’s season and it wasn’t), we are force feed into believing he is oh so honourable and worthy of our esteem. Enough is enough AB. You have ruined what started out as a great tv series. Look to Game of Thrones you might learn a few lessons.
the funniest thing is that moyer said in interviews that the book readers are going to be happy, but LOL he has never read the books (probably just the first one) so he should just stf up…
That’s because he’s bias. He probably thinks that the book readers were sad that Bill was in Peru and not next door to Sookie to interfere with AE and Sookie’s beautiful love scenes.
The Vampire Diaries comes back on Thursday!
amen…a show with consistency and a plot. Elena is everything TB sookie should try to be…
Yeah, can’t wait for TVD. Writing is SO MUCH BETTER than TB. Characters are consistant, and the plots make sense.
i hear ya….after this it will be so relaxing watching a show that makes sense….for 24 episodes…imagine how much AB could fuck up in that many episodes! *shudders in horror*
hell at this point i say Twilight is better thn this train wreck! i hear its exactly like the books!!!
It’s been said that they actually want to make it like the books BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE FANS OF THE BOOKS WANT! Imagine that!
im sure CH is feeling what we are feeling right now. look what AB has done to her characters.,
CH is might get a firestorm when her new Sookie book comes out and fans ask questions about TB. CH likes to focus on her book and not so much TB when she does interviews and book tours.
After this episode, I can’t say I blame her.
I kept hoping that somehow AB would redeem this season as he did with the Ratt reveal last year. It didn’t seem possible that a season that started with such promise and that I was really enjoying through eight episodes could totally take such a nose dive. WTF? What did I just watch? I kept hoping there would be a “Bobby Ewing in the Shower” ending a la Dallas–with Eric in the shower pulling Sookie and we the viewers in while explaining the past episodes have all been a horrible Bill’s blood induced dream!
What a hot mess of a finale! Charlaine Harris must be weeping at how her characters have been butchered! I can’t recognize the core characters of this show anymore. What happened to this being the season of showing their true colors? The season began with promise. Bill was showing his true colors by screwing his aide and not hiding it from Sookie, but yet now she’s the love of his life?
And what AB has done to Eric and Sookie is the worst. They are the hero and heroine of the piece, but I could barely stomach either of them tonight. Eric Northman is not a simpering, lovesick fool. And Sookie is a one man at a time woman who has self-respect. She also has strong moral values, so I was shocked that she would willfully kill Debbie at the end. Book Sookie killed Debbie because she had to, and she always struggled with that.
So, what an accomplishment AB! You’ve made me loathe characters I hold dear. If HBO has any sense they will let AB go and find a new showrunner. HBO can’t be happy about the lack of awards to TB, particularly in light of the critical praise given to the Walking Dead and their own Game of Thrones. HBO will be hearing from me.
If I had to choose just one thing that I love about Game of Thrones (and it’s hard to pick one) it would have to be that David Benioff and Dan Weiss have so much respect and admiration for the source material. Sure things get changed and jumbled around to fit a visual format but the spirit is still there. Just look at Peter Jackson in “Lord of the Rings” or even everyone behind “Harry Potter”. I don’t doubt that Alan Ball truly did love the first Sookie book but I think somewhere along the way he lost sight of what made him love the books in the first place. It’s such a shame.
GOT is only in it’s first season. I just read that from season 3 on they will diverge more from the books, so it’s still possible that they also screw up this. But, as far as I know, Martin is directly involved in the show so it’s not that likely. I really don’t understand why CH didn’t want to be involved in the show, she really seems to be interested in her fans, so how can she allow someone else to destroy her books? Only because of the big money…probably.
‘diverge’ isn’t exactly the right word. The 3rd book is not only epically long, a huge amount of elaborate stuff happens. In order to not take a lot of that stuff out, D & D plan on splitting the book into 2 seasons. (… if they get there, which I think they will). They aren’t going to stray from the source material and “invent” stuff the way Ball has, but they’ll try to stay true to the story Martin built and include as much of it as they can, so they’ve said.
Charlaine didn’t have a TV background though, and Martin does. I think Charlaine believed in Ball, and with what he delivered early on it was promising. Lately,.. not so much.
Oh yeah, they definitely have to diverge from the books because it would be impossible to adapt everything word for word. That’s what I meant about the fact that Benioff and Weiss have RESPECT for the source material and they have help from GRRM himself. When GRRM wrote these books almost two decades ago he wanted to create something that was impossible to film in those times. Now he’s front and center as one the show’s writers. The first half of True Blood up to about episode 5 was very close to the books. After that the changes started to be more noticeable and two major things in the book got changed. Bill staking Long Shadow instead of Eric being one and the other would be Sookie being chased by Renee and having Sam and Crispy!Bill come to her rescue. We should have all taken that as a clue right then and there that any moment where Sookie could save herself was going to be replaced to make her look like a constant damsel-in-distress. Bascially, not all changes are bad in an adaptation but they have to IMPROVE the source material not hinder it.
At this point, I don’t think that Alan Ball ever loved the books. How the hell could he do this kind of shit if he loved the books?
I think Alan Ball might have enjoyed book 1 and fell in love with Bill Compton, so he decided to make the show so he could have his own personal fan-fic casted and televised… Instead of True Blood, the show should be called “The Bill Compton Hour” and instead of based on the Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris, it should read “based on Alan Ball’s boner for one character that Charlaine Harris created”.
CH sold out. She is to busy counting her money to care. She won’t be getting any more from me. I’m done buying her books.
I see a towering rage here, but do they really know how you feel?
Why don’t you go to HBO site and let them know your disappointment of this season. Maybe it could break their delusion that there aren’t many BLs in the world.
They’ll see it right here. Trust me.
That’s right they know where we are at.
are you sure, I doubt the true blood guys are reading this board, the problem is that the hbo board is floaded with BLs, thats why they post there, they get a lot of attention when they post on HBO…
Their marketing people do. This site gets alot of traffic. You haven’t been around long have you
But but but, SVB? How can it get so much traffic? It’s obvious that ELs are the “vocal minority”. I’m sure all that traffic is just us ELs going to every computer within a 50 mile radius of our homes and logging on here to make it look like Eric is popular.
yeah thats what i do….break into peoples homes and use different computers to give in my two cents of rabid eric thoughts to the online fandom…. *pam eye roll* (and yeah i mean BOOK pam)
Hm, I don´t get it, just because this site has a lot of traffic doesn´t really mean that the guys from HBO or True blood are going on here… I think they don´t really care about anything that fans say, because otherwise this season would have been different, if they would have read the comments on here…
sneeky, I run the site. I know who visits. I have had contact with them, and they do watch what goes on here. They watch all of the popular fansites.
That said, this site and its posters are very…hardcore…in their preferences. This is not a site for the casual viewer and it’s not a site for anyone who doesn’t like Eric. We make no bones about that.
So the opinions expressed here both editorially, and by the posters do not represent the TB Fandom as a whole and anyone reading it is aware of that.
At the end of the day what they care about is subscriptions and DVD sales. That is the ONLY way to hit them where it hurts, and where they will take notice. Until that happens, it’s all just talk to them, and it’s talk about their show. Rule Number One: There’ s no such thing as bad publicity.
yes ur right! but i would say also, they would prefer to read more on their site which is in HBO. there are so many BL there, and i was thinking the same thinking. maybe they think there are more BL since they are the one who are commenting on their site.
It’s the job of marketing people to know and to be proactive in gathering information. I’m not just talking fandom/tv. I’m talking about any product.
but the marketing people do they really have so much influence? Ball always does what he wants I rather want some of the writers of the show (tucker, woo …) to read the comments on this site…sometimes I think they only read the nest or whatever bL site, which actually only has a handful of fans who constantly post on there…
I can’t answer as to how much influence marketing has within a project. Each project is different and I don’t work in entertainment. I’m only familiar with how corporations handle gathering information from blogs and social media… and they do. They pay people a lot of money to do it.
I can say that I’ve read of other shows that have followed blogs avidly and made changes to writing accordingly and then there have been shows that have shunned all fansites to avoid being influenced… so take what you will of that. The writer that shunned fansites? He was a good writer and could afford to do that. AB? Not so much.
yeah, for the writers, i think they read whats on their site…
SVB, wasn’t this site listed as a link on the HBO site and then it was taken down. If that is the case then they know.
I’m all behind a send Bill and Ball to Peru campaign. The networks have been flooded with mail and other items–like Nuts for Jericho–to save a show. To save TB, Bill and Ball need to go!
i refuse to acknowledge the existence of TBhbo….they can go fuck themselves…i am not wasting my words on them..i abjure them (yeah Alan fucking Ball…the one thing u decided to take from the book…random)
but its one of the thing that can help us jsut to let them know, what we are feeling about the show. cuz its nice there, for a lot would BL fans will go after u if u say something bad about their queen bill, but i think its time for us to show them also.. we are the majority and not the minority,… i for one, is an EL who still writes their even how those BL always put negatives on my post and comment.
*not nice i mean.
Dude they lurk.
Sometimes I suspect they troll…
lol i know but i aint going looking for them to say my piece.
yeah, its better to go in hbo site. at least, just a maybe they can hear us there. hbo site is full of billusional.. and just a maybe, thats why they think there are more bill fans than eric… cuz BL are sure always posting some nice comments there for their queen bill.
Oh they know, it’s their job to know. And most likely they are sitting back laughing, and collecting money…what they pay most attention to are posts that are well thought out. Not the You suck F*** ones. BL’s just don’t make sense to me…You stand behind an abuser? A Master Manipulator…Kinky but be real. Eric is extremely popular,he is the Anne Rice equivalent to Lestat. If you look on Facebook alone. There are tons of ‘Eric Northman’ Role-players. Entire websites dedicated to Eric Northman or Alex. So they know.
Im seriously hating this show and I honestly dont think Im even going to watch season 5 after this f*ckery this episode. Im done
How do you get to season 5 from this?
Serious drugs and maybe lots of alcohol.
Anti-psychotics might help too.
I really think the only thing we can do now to end this ballsh*t is to cancel HBO or just stop watching this sh*t completely, I hope their ratings drop down and I am not worried for alex if the shows goes down he has a lot of movie projects to do… and if I want to see pam and eric scenes, I still can watch it on Youtube, I am definetly not going to buy any of the dvds, I am not wasting any money on Balls crap writing…
How did AB manage to make Gran an excuse – jerk this season? Gran is the voice of reason in the books. TB has lost all of her greatness.
Yes, I forgot to rant about Gran! What a waste of Lois Smith. I kept hoping she would reveal that Bill had killed her or heard her being attacked and refused to help her. Why show Sookie’s memory of her lying dead in the kitchen? While I guess it foreshadowed Debbie’s death, it was still strange. And Gran seemed off like all the other characters of Bon Temps. Her parting great advice was to be alone, but also follow your heart? I thought they would end up giving her Niall’s line, “the vampire is a good man and he loves you,” and leave us pondering that all summer. But no, that would be too much of a nod to the books!
i thought there would be a reveal there too:(
I agree! What was the point of Gran coming back? I expected more. She was so warm and loving. And now she reveals herself in a memory that haunts Sookie, and gives her some really depressing advice that makes Sookie feel even worse.
And you know what also irked me about Gran – she basically came back to deal with Marnie and she was going to head off to the Big Ball of Light in the Sky without so much as a BACKWARD GLANCE for Sookie.
She was! She was heading off and then Sookie called her name and she kind of looked back at her like a minor irritation for a second.
It just leaves me scratching my head.
OMG yes. WTF Gran? I’m about convinced this season’s goal was to make me hate every character I looked on fondly. I’m angry with Sookie, disgusted with Pam, and want to seek testosterone therapy for Eric (I’m thinking his amnesia caused a long-delayed attack of male menopause). And now, I don’t even like Gran anymore.
Yes, her wise advise, “We are all alone in the end.” Uh…thanks Gran. Real uplifting. Why bother being with anyone while alive…I’m just gonna wind up dead and alone. yippee…
What pissed me off the most… is that with this shit hole of a season… ASkars will probably STILL not get the Emmy that he is soooo deserved!!! That is all.
I totally agree! Alex has been the only saving grace for me,the reason I was still watching because he is so freaking brilliant.
alex so deserves that emmy!! hell alex and denis o hare BOTH deserved one for last year! but i dont see him getting nominated because i dont think people will be able to sit through the Ballcrap.
So side note, Bill killed at least two female vampires this season who were supposed to be older, stronger and more politically powerful than him and he did so with no problems at all and came out smelling like a rose both times. What the fuck does that say?
It shows it all is a load of crap as long as bill looks good.
Changing the story to make Bill the lead character is the main thing that has fucked up the story by changing the dynamics and the plot generally so the story is largely unrecognisable. Oh, and turning the actual lead character into an irritating, self-absorbed, dimwit with the insight and concentration span of a gnat.
Not to mention, he was able to overpower that female sheriff and throw her in the “forcefield of fail.” Being a sheriff, you know she had to be older than Bill. FFS, he’s less than 200! Fuck this show. Fuck AB. Fuck the writers who don’t catch this stupid shit. Praise any movie company that picks up Askars for a movie role, so I can still see him act, without having to watch this shit fest.
Really looking forward to Strawdogs. The previews look pretty amazing.
I am also looking forward to see this, I hate what they have done with the show so much, I think it would be probably better if they just kill Eric off (even though half its viewers are gone, if not already now after this final); Alex will get other offers, he has the talent and the looks to be a movie star, so it would be just better for his career to leave this sinking ship with bullsh*t and extremely inconsistent writing…
I’m all for Alex engaging in a full-on movie career I don’t know that it’s necessarily a sinking ship though. I have been reading the posts on Facebook all day on the myriad of True Blood pages, and quite a few people seem happy with the end of S4 and are already looking forward to S5.
I guess I have to view it as Soap Operas aren’t brilliant, they just are, even ones with vampires.
That they compromise THEIR own story to make Bill better. What I cannot stomach is what they have done to Eric. I could not even watch their scene. It had to hide my face with my pillow I was so embarrassed. AND PISSED!
wished I had a pillow
The same as all of Bill’s other unprovoked attacks on women: Bitches need to learn their place.
It does bother me how Bill has treated women like Sookie, Jessica, Pam, Tara, QSA, Portia and even Lorena (she was crazy though). Not everything was Nan’s fault either. Telling Pam,”Your not supposed to think.”
The thing that is so disturbing about Bill is that he pretends to be this gentle misunderstood vampire and he tries to make everyone else look far worse when they’re actually much better. UGH.
He dumped Jessica on Eric and Pam because he didn’t want the responsibility and because he wanted to go bang Sookie. I mean, how low can you get? Even when Eric and Pam tried to force him to accept his responsibility? He still didn’t. He didn’t even bother to teach her how to feed. There’s a part of me that wants Pam to take Jessica under her wing and tell them all to go fuck themselves.
I wanted more Jessica/Pam bonding but that fell flat. Their scenes are great together. Maybe Jessica will visit Fangtasia more now that she is embracing her nature.
and what I don’t understand, how could Marnie overpower Eric, Bill and the “Queen guard”? Because of the brujo super-powers? But why could she then be stopped by a wiccan and a 1/8-part-fairy? So Bill can kill powerful vampires but is powerless against a witch? ;-0
I think we’re supposed to fill in the blanks? Maybe they silvered them while they were sleeping during the day? Maybe she called up more necromancy? I don’t even know.
Thing is, show us. Don’t make us guess.
Katee thats cuz Bill is yoda+superman+every other awesome character ever in Balls head…he can get out of silver with out explanations being needed,he can try to kill eric whenever he wants but wht the hey,he can tell sookie he doesnt mind tara dying as long as the big bad guy dies but sookie still luhhhhvs him,etc etc….BILL IS BEYOND REPROACH AND CAN DO ANYTHING. If TB were the matrix,bill is Neo on steroids.
fuck this shit…
I’m more mad at myself at this point I should have turned this crap off the minute Bill was made Queen. I’m just to optimistic for my own good.
Your right. Making Bill Queen was the butterfly effect that ruined the dynamic of the major characters of this show. Even Bill’s death at this point, can’t save this show in my eyes. (Because you know that AB would make it some stupid, sad moment where Sookie tells him she’s always loved him…blah, blah, blah..he’s the best Queen evah…she wishes he’d have her beaten again, so she can beg his forgiveness………AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!)
You’re right and if they took Bill off the show and tried to promote Eric/Sookie, it still wouldn’t work. I think most fans have had it and then the show would blame the loss of Bill for being cancelled which isn’t the reason at all. It’s the deviation from canon that’s killing it. These characters are not the book characters.
Exactly! I wish I wouldn’t have wasted my time watching that stupid pointless shit of a season.
I feel the same way. So pissed!
oh dear GOD that was horrible. wow.
Yeah, Pam Eric and Sookie. Three main characters in the books. All butchered in the last few episodes of this season to prop Bill.
I like the minor characters–arlene & terry, Jessica and Jason. Lafayette. But there’s nothing left from the books any more to make s5 worth watching for me.
From you lips to Gods Ears.
I don’t really know what to say. They have defiled a beloved character and turned her into a brainless twat. Waiting will NOT suck this year because I cringe at the thought of what’s to come.
“Domestic violence victims will often blame their own behavior, rather than the violent actions of the abuser.” – sounds like someone we know.
yeah that would be the new true blood logo! waiting will not suck!
why is she sorry for lieing to Bill??Pam was right Bill trying to set up using the AVL to kill Eric again with his own gain, there are so many plot in this season making Bill look good and trashing other characters to upper ‘ Bill’s good status’. Sookie is so weak and indecisive I am not surprise if she forgives him, this is the girl that almost got drain in the trunk and break up with Bill in the hospital S3, then only to hook up back with him afterward in two day time with a proposal then break up with him again when she find he betray her to Russell. If she didn’t find out what happen about the Rattry through Eric she be still with him again, but I don’t think that little knowledge like getting beat up and trick in false feeling.using vamp blood is going to make her make smarter decision. True Blood is base on the adventure of Bill in BOn TOn, Alan Ball has made it clear that this show is about Queen Bill all the other character is a fill-in to fill up a full episode. it’s sad that a lovely character like Sookie is written so bad on the show I feel sorry for Anna Pequinn there going to be a lot of people hating her now, she is a good actor.
I actually don’t think Anna Paquin is very good at all and that is part of what makes me dislike TB Sookie. I think she looks uncomfortable and awkward unless she’s in scenes with SM. That might be a factor (subconsciously) in the writing. I think they hit it out of the park with the other actors though. I have often wondered if this is why Sookie isn’t the central character in TB. Because they have so much talent in the ensemble cast and I don’t think AP could carry a show.
You know what? You got a point there. And I noticed that when watching this episode..how she looked at Bill/Stephen, and then how she barely looked at Eric/Alex. I did read somewhere that Stephen said she was uncomfortable doing love scenes with other men…I say then she needs to get her ass off the show. And they need to get an actress that can do the damn job.
If that’s true they had no business casting a married couple for series. Either Stephen should have been cast or she shouldn’t have been cast. Whether it was one of them who removed themselves from the roles or the people who cast the roles.
They weren’t together when the show was cast.
They started dating while filming S1.
My rage began earlier this afternoon when I received my call from True Blood for the BloodLine thing and instead of Eric/Alex, it was Bill/Stephen. After waiting all fucking season for a call from Eric/Alex (the reason I did that stupid shit) and not getting it, I was already pretty fucking pissed. From this and other things True Blood has done (not having Eric make a PSA at the beginning of the season but all the other characters did, Bill’s progeny getting a S4 photo album on facebook but Eric’s progeny, who just happens to be one of the best fucking characters ever, not getting an album, Eric’s S4 photo album only being published on the facebook page after Eric fans bitched about it for two fucking days) makes it pretty clear to me that True Blood/HBO doesn’t give a fuck about the majority of their fans. Nevertheless, I’m mad as hell and I’m gonna do my fucking damn best to make sure they know about it. At this point I’m ready to write them a fucking letter and pay for the postage to mail that bitch and I never write letters anymore.
Honestly, I felt physically sick during that whole threesome scene. From the time that I realized Eric and Bill were both sucking on Sookie’s veins to her forgiving St. Bill…I was trying not to barf on my tv screen.
True Blood has already been taken off my DVR, no more new episodes are set to record ever, their twitter account has been unfollowed and their facebook page has been unliked. Fuck you True Blood. Fuck you Alan Ball. I’m fucking done with your Ballshit/Billshit.
I also think they don´t give a shit about the majority of the fans, which are eric fans… they próbably think as long as everyone is watching, we don´t care what people think; even at comic con they hade a fvcking Sookie Bill picture in the background screen when they were signing, so it seems to me that even the HBO guys don´t give a shit, but then I had to laugh at the comic con panel, how bills character got totally neglected by the fans, no one gives a shit about him besides a few bunch of crazy bill fans…
it looks more and more like they desperately want to force bill onto us and make him more likable, just look at the king bill t-shirt that just got released, even HBO seems to prop him up now, don´t they get it that eric is the main draw of the show??
I really liked this, no single question for the Queen (at least I didn’t see one) and almost all people crazy about Eric/Alex .
I was also waiting for the call from Alex. I was so pissed that it was SM.
im with u on that! if they doesnt care about the fans. then better yet, we should let them know.. we dont care about Tb anymore…
Amen! Like I wanted to hear Bill give me his usual bullshit line about taking Vitamin B, his usual snide remark after fang raping someone! Shit, I guess they proved Tara’s foreshadowing after S3 that Sookie is one of those fuckup women in a country song. She will continue to be Bill’s own private blood soda fountain until the end of the series. SMH!
I was floored!!!! Absolutely devistated. The only thing that I can take solace in is that she picked no one. I was so ready to scream at the TV when she was forgiving Bill. I just don’t get it. Does Stephen Moyer have some “in” with AB??? At least most fanfiction follows the story at the most basic of levels . . . but this is just insane. Why have the Rat-Reveal to begin with??? Makes no sense. I am clueless.
I didn’t expect Sookie to wind up with either of them at the end of the Season to be honest and I’ve not seen this episode yet but based on the comments here? It sounds like they went way past what I was expecting.
Ah well. I guess I’ll watch the finale and make my decision as to whether or not to return. Which is a shame since I only started watching the entire series a few days ago. From new fan to disappointed fan in a week. Must be a new record.
But seriously? SHE asked for forgiveness? WTF? Watching Bill is like watching a classic abuser in action and hearing this just makes me flinch.
Better only a week then 4 years waiting for one shower scene to happen.lol
If I’d read the books first and waited four years like the rest of you, I’d probably be really pissed. As it stands now, I’m sort of apathetic. I’ve been through this with other shows and I’ve learned to just walk away when a showrunner continues to make stupid moves like this. I can see the potential Eric/Sookie even as far back as S1 but I can also see where it’s being continuously squandered in favor of promoting a love triangle that really needs to die. Drawing it out to this finale is just, well, tacky and desperate. The three way feeding, and dream sequence earlier in the season, was not even sexy. It was just sad. When a threeway with Askars is not sexy? You’re doing something terribly wrong.
Apparently what they giveth they can taketh away. I was even bothered by Jason too. I like that he was honest with Hoyt but it does not seem like he even cares about his so called best friend. I actually like Tara again. Thanks for ruining her character!!!. I loved Tara in season one and then they had to go and make her the eternal victim every season. Why couldn’t they have made her a strong woman like in season one? I wanted to see growth in Tara but they denied her that. It just makes me sad that she is so hated now because of how they write the character.
They didn’t even show a Halloween party at Fangtasia just Pam and Ginger in the office.
Oh……………I thought it couldn’t get worse. I was feeling really positive…………how wrong was I? I’m glad Sookie is by herself to work through things. Maybe she and Alicide need to be together………..maybe they deserve each other! As someone else has said, waiting will NOT suck this time.
waiting will not suck this time! il post that in the HBO board, i hope u guys can comment there.. jsut to let AB know what he did.
Well, I’m just so disgusted with the whole B/E/S scene, but at least HBO still has good shows with excellent writing like Boardwalk Empire and GoT, Thank God. Oh, and I love Bored to Death, and really need some comic relief after tonight’s tomfoolery. So, I’m not jumping the HBO ship, but I’m really let down by True Blood. Didn’t purchase the S3 DVD and I’m really on the fence about this season. :-/
I actually liked last season after the Rattray reveal so I bought the Blu-Rays.
However, I don’t know if I will purchase this season even with all the Eric and Sookie skin.
watch it on youtube, spending your money on this bill bullsh*t is like being OK with the fvckery that ball has done with the show… and also the scenes with eric and sookie were constantly interupted by bill, I don´t even want to see them anymore, I am so pissed…
Watch the musicvids on youtube. NO BILL
I’m just so over the love triangle stuff. That whole scene with the 3 of them was cringeworthy, from them both feeding on sookie and sookie asking bill for her forgiveness. I’m just going to ignore it. I want Eric to go back to hating Bill. I’m over this teamwork stuff. I like them better as enemies ha.
Tara isn’t dead of course she’ll probably get turned by someone. I’m curious to see how vampire newlin is. Vampire Newlin should really take over Nan’s job. The leader of the fots now a vampire and embracing it would be good for vampire PR ha.
Worst season ever. Even more anti-climactic than usual. One word – LAME.
I agreed. Anti-Climatic is definitely the word.
Well, at least Scott Foley looks like a fine piece of commando ass for next season–for those that watch it.
Pam’s “Fucking fairy pussy” line was pretty good.
I agree that this has turned into a complete fuckery, glad I have never paid for HBO, like ever.
I totaly agree with Everyone here (except Tracy). I feel like Hoyt in that i hsve wasted one whole year “living & reading & watching & writing” S3 & anxiously waiting S4, all over the web, spending sometimes up to 14 hrs/day on TB. the Seaspms. epis & characters. Loving every inch of EN with all my heart & depending on The SVM, Charaine Harris, & AB would give me the shpw they promised. Changing the show around was OK, but the characters were ruined beyond recognition. I can’t even talk about it on the Wetpaint wikis. I got banned 4 saying I didn’t like epis 9 or 10 & 11. I was told to stop watching if I didn’t like it & then bannned. OK so now AB has taken his “TV show for thinkers” & dumbed it down for his beel lovers. The scenes & dialogs are downright stupid & forget continuity. each epi is a dumb show on its own. I love Eric Northman & glad he has introduced me to Alex. Alex Skarsgard has made out the best in this series because now the whole world wants him & I’m happy about that so we can see him in more films & every mag in the world.
Thank you SVB 4 giving us this honest board to express our views.
Wet paint only let you post good things about the show, someone will read your post then they post it, so if you look harder there are not many post, same thing happen to me when I posted bad writers and incosistance characters behavior on the show, hand less Bill pimping.
The #1 rule for any show runner is WHERE YOUR HEROINE GOES…SO GOES YOUR AUDIENCE. Joss Whedon learned this the hard way with Buffy, and so Alan Ball will learn it with Sookie. When the majority of your fanbase wants to smack your main protagonist upside the head with a Louisville Slugger you know you’ve gone down the wrong path.
The minor characters had better season enders than the main characters. Plot holes were so big they should have been declared BLACK holes. Marnie overpowered TWO vampires at the same time and chained them in silver? How?! Debbie went from Sookie-buddy to Sookie-crazy with no explanation at all. Alcide abjured her – but it had nothing to do with Sookie so how did that connection get made? Is Pam still rotting or did the spell die with Marnie? Who the hell knows?! Sloppy writing. Lame plot points. Trashed characters.
This is a vampire show, but that doesn’t mean it has to suck! Poorly played, Alan Ball. Poorly played.
a list of all the inconsistencies and fuck ups this season should be written down…just cuz.
Amen, Hope. AMEN.
Thank you Hope, after episode 7 from there onwards after every episode I have ThE WTF face on not cool , not cool, watching TB make me have wrinkle LOL. This is my last season for TB and i have taken Sookie poster off my wall not going to support HBO TB product only GOT LOL.
i ask myself are we the TB Sookies in this scenario/cluster fuck? we kept on forgiving , hoping, making excuses, looking for signs that Tb was going to sit up take notice of us and maybe treat us nice? Is TB our Beeehl? Are we the classic abused spouse ?
cos eff it all to hell, if we did not get ourselves emotionally beaten, drained, manipulated and yeah, LIED to (season 4 will be close to the spirit of the books- my arse buddy- i have an outrage ulcer developin’ here from all the bil(e), to prove it).. sound similar to, um I dunno, anything?
FU TB folk- i broke my diet out of anxiety , hoping for you guys to redeem yerselves. what did i get ? a one for the road shag type dirty feeling with a terrible ex and and MSG overload. That 3some was just not the thing to add to that uneasy mess. Eric. Just no. You’d be better off if it HAD been that annoying reality snooki than TBSucky.
Now i am free to sate myslef on the delights of other series (supernatural- boys you’re on)
Askars get the heck off the stinking Weils disease ridden show. You acted even the shitey storylines and most craptastic dialogue into something classy. On yer way out. Set fire to the set and go get yourself an oscar (not the pity oscar AP got for being a precocious 12 year old – where apparently she stalled) , Emmy etc. or yes and whatever award they give to actors who put up with shit, with the composure and grace that you do. Um yeah, that would be respect.
Note to AB- Joss Whedon did it better, 10 years before you. He kicks your smug ass. I still watch his shows .
Oh…we are done forgiving.
Agreed. The party is over AB and HBO. You screwed us over this season and somehow tried to make us believe at the start of the season that we would love it. Wrong Wrong Wrong.
” a one for the road shag type dirty feeling with a terrible ex and and MSG overload.”
that’s definitely how I’d describe whole dang mess… As a Bookie? I’m appalled at what has been done. As a Truebie? I’m STILL appalled by it.
Bookie-> Trubie-> and back to Bookie. AB can take his show and shove it.
I guess I’m what you could call a born-again Bookie. (not that i wasn’t one at any given time.)
PS: I wonder what he would reply if you asked Ab what Beelh’s ass smelled like because his nose is soooo far up there it’s invisible.
Missfee, that’s exactly how I’ve felt. I keep waiting and hoping and trying to find hidden clues, trying to make excuses and saying that there are reasons behind the stupidity. This week has shown me that there is absolutely no point in that. And I’m done. Alan Ball can take his stupid show and shove it up his ass.
I’ve not even seen the episode yet and I feel like I should be sat on a rubber ring because without a doubt Alan Ball as used Season Four to fuck me in the arse repeatedly. The comment that this has decended into AB’s personal Fan Fiction has appeared numerous times on the blog comments and across the forum and I strongly feel a need to give my response to that, namely that I have read a LOT of TB/SSN fanfic and there have been many stories by many authors that have thrilled, intrigued and had me hanging on with far greater anticipation for the next installment than S4 has. HBO take note – even FF writers with everyday lives and no professional investment in the continued success of True Blood are doing a better job of truly capturing the spirit of the books and the essential natures of the characters than your own damn people are!
You have (no pun intended) dropped the ball so hard with this season that it has ricocheted through the earth’s atmosphere and taken a great many people’s hopes and interest in the series with it and burnt it all to a crisp in the atmosphere. Congratulations. It takes real skill to make such a monumental mess of something that was fully blueprinted and independantly successful. You already had all the pieces and all you had to do was put them together and then bask in the praise and you couldn’t even get that right…
Very well said!
yeah i think we all need a rubber ring to sit on…AB fucked us hard and didnt even have the courtesy to wine and dine us first….ass hole. i am so done with this shit.
“It takes real skill to make such a monumental mess of something that was fully blueprinted and independantly successful. You already had all the pieces and all you had to do was put them together and then bask in the praise and you couldn’t even get that right…” seriously…..
I’m new to TB this summer, after completing my crash course in both past seasons and the books this May. I cannot express enough my disgust in how overrated Alan Ball is as a creative force in television. After hearing ad nauseam of his genius with Six Feet Under and American Beauty and expecting his ‘popcorn’ for smart people comment to pan out and maybe see overarching themes across seasons and the series, I have become insulted AB thinks this is clever entertainment. I’m not even entertained, so maybe I’m not as clever as him. Maybe I appreciate good writing and consistent characters and a sense of purpose. Especially when AB didn’t even create this universe of SVM, he just developed a bad fanfic. Really AB? Really HBO? I thought HBO had a higher standard of programming; they certainly talk and tweet and market like they’re the gold standard. I stuck with season 4 hoping the finale would make lemonade out of lemons, but I really share in everyone’s disappointment tonight, as a fan of what could — and should — have been.
I will say thanks to SVB and the moderators for this community; I find it to be the best of TB/SVM pockets on the web. I am grateful for this blog and the thoughtful comments of you all this summer; honestly, you all kept me afloat. I don’t plan to leave this site anytime soon. I’m not saying the same about HBO and their programming.
I agree on everything you said, and seriously, I think True blood is so badly written and inconsistent in writing, that HBO does have a show like this is a shame itself, HBOs other shows are all well done and with really good writing, Game of Thrones also is an example of a great book adaption, but AB messed up fanfiction with horrible writing shouldn´t be on a broadcaster like HBO!!!
im just curious, is anyone from HBO or staff of AB read this site… cuz i sure hope he can read this comments in here.
I think this is the most pissed off I have ever been.
I can’t believe I held on for so damn long, hoping and wishing (but never truly believing) Alan Ball would deliver.
Death to True Blood.
He made Eric into some neutered dog and taken away most of what I loved about him. At this point, I wish Eric would just tell her to fuck off and tell Pam he’s sorry.
Same here but that won’t happen because Pam and Eric’s 100 years relationship is over as was said in the inside the episode.
How many aspects of book canon are they going to trash? Oh, I don’t know why I’m even commenting at this point. I’ll probably not even watch S5. After watching the finale, I think I’ve lost interest. I’ve found I have very little tolerance for showrunner batshit anymore. After going through this with a couple other shows, I’ve learned to just cut my losses and run. If after a few seasons it isn’t getting better, it never will.
I can see the logic in having Sookie be alone for awhile if she’s placing her love for Eric and her love for Bill as equal. I can see the logic of having Sookie and Eric apart so she can realize she does love him as himself and that he’s not as bad as she thought. I mean WTF? She still doesn’t know who he is! But this mess with Pam is just more batshit abuse of canon that makes no sense except to screw with Sookie’s character for no reason at all.
I have no doubt Eric will be back to his BAMF self next season and that he might be a little cool to Sookie but I doubt I care at this point.
what, they said Pam and Eric’s relationship is over? WTF!!!! Because of what, because she kept him alive? Now I feel even more miserable then after being forced to watch the E/S/B scene.
Is it normal that I feel close to tears because fictional characters that I love turn out to be wrong on a TV show .
I’m hoping this is temporary and said to get the fans riled up. Which it did. Still, it’s more batshit abuse of canon that makes no sense at all. I guess it’s supposed to show how much Eric feels for Sookie but it’s absolutely not necessary and ultimately only serves to drive a wedge between them and it’s stereotypical male writing wherein bitches are fightin’ over a man.
Stupid plot device is stupid.
“What, they said Pam and Eric’s relationship is over?”
Yep…they dumb asses really said that.
The season started out great but between all the plot holes and plot devices, it went downhill. Especially in episode 8. True Blood has officially “jumped the shark”.
Maybe we should take up a collection to get Alex an XL life preserver and some shark repellant. He’s on a sinking ship.
wtf was that shit about Eric seducing women and spitting out their bones??? Does that means he seduced women and killed them like Bill???? seriously?????????
Where did they say that? I don’t remember that.
Pam said it when she was trashing Eric’s office but I think she was speaking metaphorically. She was pretty angry.
one more ranty thought….
AB his showrunner epilogue shall read “master of snapping defeat from the jaws of victory”.
So is Tara a “Bubba” now?! BWAAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!
nice. I love it. very befitting.
There is a possibility that Eric ate princess bones. Maybe they were mean, cruel princesses. Do not know that whole history yet. I loved Pam’s line though. I think she spoke for all of us. I also loved that Renee came back, freaking Arlene out, but seemed to be coming from a different perspective. I liked that Laffy was able to say goodbye to Jesus at least. I loved Jess and Jason, and the Newlin’s a vampire..and my Russell is back (got in an argument with someone over that one tonight already so if you hate him, fine). Sookie asking Bill to forgive her was disturbing, but she’s trying to take responsibility for her own behavior so as screwy as it is from an outside perspective, maybe it will lead to a stronger character in the long run (if there is a long run). It didn’t piss me off as much as I thought it would. I was ready for something worse.
You know – I might have been able to deal with Sookie choosing Bill at this point. It would have prolonged the love triangle and I would probably keep watching the show to see how Eric would react (how he would deal with these feelings especially because he is a man that doesn’t like having them!). BUT, what I totally CAN’T deal with is cutting off Eric’s manhood and making him into this pleading, begging shell of a man. I actually felt ill during that scene. The character of Eric Northman in the books and how he was originally characterized on TB in previous seasons would NEVER have swallowed his pride and begged any woman to be with him! And then to top it off, say that it was “OK with Bill”. Since when did Eric have to have the blessing of anyone to do anything?! It was just so wrong and out of character! Just a total travesty to strip everything that made this character so memorable. I don’t know who that was, but it was NOT Eric. So now – I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to watch Season 5. Eric is gone and so is my main reason for watching this show…:(
I want to know what Sookie needed to apologise to Bill for, and details of all the lies that Eric has told them both, because I am clearly missing something big.
She shouldn’t apologize to Bill, but she does because she just saw her Gran, and her Gran probably raised her not to lie. EVER. So her sense of ethics is a lot different than Bill’s. She also doesn’t have Bill’s sense of entitlement.
Oh, and I’d also like to know when Sookie got amnesia.
Yeah. I kept hoping that she was under some spell that was going to be revealed next season. After all, we never found out if Pam was cured. Maybe they’re both still cursed and zombie Sookie will wake up in the first episode of Season 5?
She must have amnesia. It’s like everyone has amnesia. No one mentions the heinous things Bill did, how is that possible?!
Maybe King Bill passed an edict? Who the fuck knows?
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